To ask you not to judge all Muslims by the actions of the men outside the school

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Hi

It shouldn't need saying but...

Please don't judge us all by the actions of a vocal few.

Some have already acknowledged the protesters were mostly if not all angry young men with seemingly nothing better to do. They don't represent all Muslims.

As Batley's late former MP said:
"We are far more united and have far more in common than that which divides us.”

@neverquit3331 that has to be one of the best autocorrects I've seen in a long time .

The teacher needs to attend some form of disciplinary hearing.
It was a discretion on the teachers part and the situation needs to be resolved internally.
The parents did not need to get involved to this extent.

The police should have asked the crowd to disperse. Anyone who failed to comply should be dealt with swiftly as an example to the others.

This entire situation has been blown out of proportion and is quite frankly embarrassing to watch.

The pupils have missed out on so much already. All of this drama is unnecessary.

And no-one in their right mind thinks all Muslims act in the uneducated and ill mannered way that these particular people have been acting.

@StoneofDestiny

Where are the Muslims with the "Not in my name" banners? (Metaphorically speaking during C19)

Where are you with your ‘not in my name’ banner when white people are killing Asians/Muslims/black people in the US through mass shootings?

Indiscretion not discretion 😆

Where are you with your ‘not in my name’ banner when white people are killing Asians/Muslims/black people in the US through mass shootings?

At home in the UK, weirdly.
Race and religion are 2 quite separate things, as has already been pointed out. One of the most obvious differences is, you can’t choose your race.

So when something bad happens to white people in other countries you post #Jesuis banners and yet when white people do bad things to Muslims/Asians/black you’re suddenly ‘at home in the UK, weirdly’.

Where was your #Jesuis banner when 54 Muslims were shot dead in a mosque in New Zealand?

Where have I posted these Jesuis banners you speak of?
I think you are arguing with yourself tbh.

You know what I mean, but feel free to play dumb.

Well, not really, I am sure you think you are making a very good point and I am glad you feel strongly about all the suffering of other people.
However, I don’t agree with your stance that religion is akin to race, so we will have to agree to disagree. And that’s ok!

I don't understand why you had to make this post, there has been no threads on here that even remotely point to 'all muslims', it does come across as baiting.

As an ex-muslim I do understand it is insulting to show a cartoon but that is where my sympathy ends.

This entire protest has taken on a very reactionary turn. I heard a speech earlier from one of the protestors arguing against Sex Education & “immoral” practices (Basically stuff about LGTBQ community)

Absolutely no leeway should be given to religious fundamentalism of any stripes

If that means focusing on the muslim community then it is what it is, the fact you couldn't even caveat how bad it is that the teacher is now in hiding points to where you want the oppression stack to be.

This thread is in pretty poor taste to be honest, instead of calling out the protesters and standing by the teacher you have jumped onto the percieved non existent threads where people are calling out all muslims.

Even twitter isn't doing that, so I am not sure why this IDPOL oppression stack thread is even needed.

Posters here falling over themselves to say it's not all Muslims, yet vilify men who say it's not all men (assuming they're white men of course).

YANBU, OP. Bad people are everywhere and are of all genders, races, religions - but they are a minority and our opinion of people as a society should not be decided by the actions of a few bad examples.

Why is any comment on this subject considered to be judging all Muslims?

#Cadentlovesabanner

Where are all these banners? Is it a FB thing?

Maybe we need a #notallwhitepeople banner given the majority of perpetrators of mass shootings are white.

What is this racist crap have anything to do with the OP.?

"The peaceful majority are irrelevant "Brigitte Gabriel..
It doesnt matter if the vast majority of any race creed or religion are peace loving, it only takes a few active and violent fanatics to cause mayhem and disruption, whilst the others in that community turn away .
A minority will be seen to speak for the majority, and the majority will suffer unless they respond in numbers and say "not in my name "..will await the counter demo .
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@RiojaRose

I think the teacher was highly insensitive and should have used different visual examples. I also think using those particular examples with school children indicates that the teacher has insufficient comprehension of the nuances, which isn’t good practice in teaching.

According to The Times today, this is a standard part of the RE teaching at this school. Parents have confirmed the same subject matter was taught by a different teacher last year with no problems

@GrumpyHoonMain

None of those parents have kids in that school. These guys have travelled there to protest. That’s why the school, it’s students, the parents of students, and the local Muslim Association (whose founders probably do send their kids there) aren’t taking these protestors seriously.

It’s a good grammar school and one of the few that talented Muslim kids attend without risk of being brainwashed - I have family up there who aim to get their kids in and they have already expressed concern their (muslim) kids might get targetted now

They shouldn't really be travelling anywhere unnecessary anyway. Perhaps a fine from the police?

I think the teacher was highly insensitive and should have used different visual examples. I also think using those particular examples with school children indicates that the teacher has insufficient comprehension of the nuances, which isn’t good practice in teaching.

You are trying to say there should be blasphemy laws for one specific religion, this is a very slippery slope to take.

Justanotherlurker

Well said comments

No I don't judge all Muslims. I spent most of my career teaching in a school that was 60% Muslim, and worked with some wonderful families. We had no issues at all around any Christian festivals and could barely move for gifts of food around Eid!

I don't identify those angry men with any Muslim parents I knew and worked with (it was a specialist school so the relationship was much more involved than in most schools).

I can only imagine how frustrating it must be to find that there are people judging you by their actions, OP. And I'm appalled by how many have voted that you're BU.

@OppsUpsSide

Angry men can protest and disrupt children’s education over a cartoon, women can’t hold a vigil for a murdered woman

This. Also "but I've been personally sidelined, ignored and verbally abused for being female by Muslim client, and it's inexcusable - I don't deal with women I was told, unacceptable behaviour" from @moochingtothepub - I also come across muslim young men who will not accept being told what to do by women all too frequently. Islam is in direct conflict with women's rights in the UK as well as other countries around the globe: that needs to be first, acknowledged, and then, dealt with, and not by throwing women under a bus.

I'm not even willing to cede the ground that the teacher should not have shown the image. This is a Religious Studies class to secondary school pupils. Showing the image, with a warning, is entirely age-appropriate and relevant to the subject.

It's interesting to compare the responses to this "not all muslims" thread, and those in the "DH said 'not all men' thread...

@kellehi

It's interesting to compare the responses to this "not all muslims" thread, and those in the "DH said 'not all men' thread...

I was thinking the same.