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To ask you not to judge all Muslims by the actions of the men outside the school

240 replies

flashbac · 27/03/2021 09:23

Hi

It shouldn't need saying but...

Please don't judge us all by the actions of a vocal few.

Some have already acknowledged the protesters were mostly if not all angry young men with seemingly nothing better to do. They don't represent all Muslims.

As Batley's late former MP said:
"We are far more united and have far more in common than that which divides us.”

OP posts:
Devlesko · 27/03/2021 18:54

OP, I hear you loud and clear. I'm Romany and similar misconceptions and racism.
YANBU a million times. Thanks

Moonstone1234 · 27/03/2021 18:55

They need to be told to go home. Completely fed up of this perceived outage. They are messing up the poor children’s education.

OppsUpsSide · 27/03/2021 18:55

I suppose that quarter might think Muslims are bigoted by the very nature of their religion and the fact it hasn’t really been reported in the press that many/any have spoken out against the views the statement the protestors made when they claimed they were speaking for the Muslim community. obviously it doesn’t mean they haven’t but unfortunately the press don’t seem to have reported on it and that does influence peoples opinions.

rwalker · 27/03/2021 19:03

I don't think many do due to any cause or protest BLM ,women this school is generally rail roaded into shocking scenes of violence and disruption by professional protesters who do more damage than good for the cause they are protesting about .

StoneofDestiny · 27/03/2021 19:04

It's pretty scary that there are some Muslims out there that think that deliberately, inadvertently or in sheer ignorance doing anything that is offensive to Muslims gives justifications for threats, violence and intimidation.
We are meant to be a western, tolerant and liberal society. We need to stand up to this more and let normal procedures in place in law or in schools deal with it.
Just because they are Muslim doesn't give them any right to harass and intimidate and close down a school.

Emeraldshamrock · 27/03/2021 19:05

I think most people are intelligent enough to realise not even shares these views. The Muslims I know personally are lovely people, their DC work hard.
We had a family from Syria move in, the lady baked beautiful cakes pre pandemic and delivered them to neighbours.
People are people take them as you find them.
I can see why the few effects many muslims, when the New Zealand horror happened I felt guilty as a white person walking past shortly after it happened. Silly I know.

StoneofDestiny · 27/03/2021 19:06

they claimed they were speaking for the Muslim community

They were deafeningly silent when the grooming of children was taking place in Rochdale etc How very selective of these 'representatives of the Muslim community'.

They do their community no favours.

StoneofDestiny · 27/03/2021 19:08

The Muslims I know personally are lovely people

Likewise - but the thuggish element is still allowed to dominate debate.

SakuraEdenSwan1 · 27/03/2021 19:09

Noticed they were mostly men outside the school. The headteacher disgusts me apologising instead of defending his teacher. No Police carting anyone off at this protest compared to Sarah's vigil.

StoneofDestiny · 27/03/2021 19:12

Noticed they were mostly men outside the school

Par for the course .

SakuraEdenSwan1 · 27/03/2021 19:12

@HeckyPeck

Having read about it, why on earth would a teacher use a deliberately insulting cartoon in a lesson?!
He was posing a question to them about the terrorism acts in Franc, who was to blame. Charlie Hebdo for drawing an offensive picture, or the terrorists ?
OppsUpsSide · 27/03/2021 19:18

He was posing a question to them about the terrorism acts in Franc, who was to blame. Charlie Hebdo for drawing an offensive picture, or the terrorists ?

A worthy debate.

DragonDoor · 27/03/2021 19:19

YABU to ask. Why would I be judging all Muslims by the actions of a vocal few??

Cadent · 27/03/2021 19:21

@CloudFormations

#notallmuslims

Please don’t set up a false equivalence with the hugely problematic #notallmen.

In the case of sexual violence against women, the problem is an overwhelming one which almost all women have experienced at some time or another. There is a massive issue with the way men as a category behave towards women.

This is not remotely the case with Muslims. The overwhelming majority of Muslims are not aggressive, violent or dangerous. And the overwhelming majority of non-Muslims in this country have never faced any kind of persecution by Muslims. When it comes to Muslims, it is right to distinguish the actions of those who are violent and dangerous from the majority, because the vast majority are neither of those things.

Totally agree. No surprise that Ofafrenchmind is seeking to create division.
Cadent · 27/03/2021 19:24

@StoneofDestiny

It's pretty scary that there are some Muslims out there that think that deliberately, inadvertently or in sheer ignorance doing anything that is offensive to Muslims gives justifications for threats, violence and intimidation. We are meant to be a western, tolerant and liberal society. We need to stand up to this more and let normal procedures in place in law or in schools deal with it. Just because they are Muslim doesn't give them any right to harass and intimidate and close down a school.
Why single out Muslims?

Isn’t is scary that white people regularly carry out mass shootings in the US?

Or the pro-Trump riots that led to the death of 5 people at Capitol Hill?

Shall we judge all white people by these events?

roarfeckingroarr · 27/03/2021 19:33

@flashbac

And there you go. As sure as eggs are eggs, the majority are expected to atone for the minority. And for the record yes, there are 'community voices' appealing for calm.
The local imam could make a statement. No one is expecting all Muslims to wave some sort of banner.
underneaththeash · 27/03/2021 19:34

I think most people realise that you get zealots in any religion.

The police need to be less PC and use water cannons when a protest is against either public interest or it gets violent or dangerous. They are far too tolerant.

@Cadent I'm far less tolerant of Americans, allowing people (and sometimes children) to buy semi-automatic guns??? And voting for trump in the first place????

Hont1986 · 27/03/2021 19:45

In Christianity, it is common to have pictures of Jesus, the Virgin Media in your homes. In Islam, it is not permitted.

I can't blame them, we've had no end of trouble with our Virgin Media broadband.

Tal45 · 27/03/2021 19:49

I would no more think all muslims were violent zealots than I would think all football supporters were violent hooligans. xxx

OppsUpsSide · 27/03/2021 19:49

In Christianity, it is common to have pictures of Jesus, the Virgin Media in your homes. In Islam, it is not permitted.

I can't blame them, we've had no end of trouble with our Virgin Media broadband.

🤣

Flaxmeadow · 27/03/2021 19:51

Why single out Muslims?

It's more Islam that is being singled out. Some parts of England have a very high proportion of Muslims. The town under discussion for example is "Batley West 33% , Batley East 54%" Muslim

People worry about clashes between conservative Islam and more liberal secular traditions

Isn’t is scary that white people regularly carry out mass shootings in the US?

Or the pro-Trump riots that led to the death of 5 people at Capitol Hill?

Are you from the USA?

Shall we judge all white people by these events?

It's a religion, not a colour

UltraVioletRays · 27/03/2021 20:00

Yes the overwhelming majority of Muslims are not represented by the protesters. Unfortunately the minority that they do represent are not an insignificant number. Worrying.

StoneofDestiny · 27/03/2021 20:34

Why single out Muslims?*

Because that's what is being talked about.

StoneofDestiny · 27/03/2021 20:41

Where are the Muslims with the "Not in my name" banners? (Metaphorically speaking during C19)

errorofjudgement · 27/03/2021 20:47

@moochingtothepub

I agree we should never blame the majority for the actions of a few but if a group associating themselves with your organisation, religion, ethnicity etc persistently advocates violence, not adhering the rule of law and states they follow another set of rules over those in the land they live in, they the majority need to speak out publicly and unequivocally against them, no excuses.

The cartoon thing is stupid because it was deliberately provocative in my opinion, but I've been personally sidelined, ignored and verbally abused for being female by Muslim client, and it's inexcusable - I don't deal with women I was told, unacceptable behaviour and when I complained to the iman at the mosque he attended they said it was because he was religious! 7 years later I'm still fuming (plus numerous smaller incidents like everyone having hands shook but me, refusing to look at me and the client inviting us to a dinner and me not being invited (my colleagues refused to go) and more. Sorry personal beef here.

I respect the no images but would appreciate being treated as an equal as a female

Completely agree with this.