Je Suis Charlie

[JeSuisCharlie]

You have the right to be offended. I have the right to believe in what I want. We should learn from the pupils that we can be aware of differing opinions without the cancel culture
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100% agree OP.

Totally agree

I agree too.

Agree, it's dangerous the way debates/differing opinions are being completely shut down.

Completely agree. Very sad about recent events.

There is already a thread about the school issue.
Your argument in relation is false equivalence, a straw man.
You don't need to 'other' pupils and make them feel like shit in order to debate a topic, you don't need to punch down by allegedly showing a racist caricature that is part of a troupe that is used to justify the oppression of Muslims around the world (see Xinxang, Guantanamo, Iraq, Myanmar).

I say this with a caveat, we still DON'T KNOW THE FACTS, the intent or the context of the lesson and it's unlikely to be a binary issue as most people like to make out.

Agree

*trope

@flashbac
Re:Xinjinag. China has had a policy for decades of offering a student of a Muslim ethnic places at universities with far fewer points than necessary for Han students, as well as allowing Muslims exemption from the one child policy for decades. I wouldn’t believe all you read about Xinjiang. Not from the establishment and dutiful press that brought you Vietnam, Iraq, and going back a bit more brutalized it’s Irish neighbours and sailed 3,000 miles to steal Hong Kong and burn to the ground arguably the most beautiful architectural site in the world. Welcome to the first decade of the West’s new war on China.

We’ll have to wait quite a while for shots fired this time though, as the imperial western powers aren’t fond of enemy’s that can give a fair fight.

I'm not Muslim, but any teacher who shows students caricatures of Muhammad is being deliberately provocative and offensive and should lose their job. It is not a "debate". Everyone knows this would cause offence. And I always thought Charlie Hebo was a disgusting magazine after they made a "funny" caricature of the Russian airplane explosion that happened (the airplane full of holiday makers in Egypt) - totally hilarious to depict children coming back from a holiday being blown to pieces.

I agree Op.

@XelaM

I'm not Muslim, but any teacher who shows students caricatures of Muhammad is being deliberately provocative and offensive and should lose their job. It is not a "debate". Everyone knows this would cause offence. And I always thought Charlie Hebo was a disgusting magazine after they made a "funny" caricature of the Russian airplane explosion that happened (the airplane full of holiday makers in Egypt) - totally hilarious to depict children coming back from a holiday being blown to pieces.

^^ This. I wonder how many people who parrot "Je Suis Charlie" have actually read anything written by them.

It's about defending the right to free speech and the right to offend, not about liking Charlie Hebdo. I don't welcome any book burning baying mobs. And supporting debate in education. And supporting proper process for complaints not death threats.

Je ne suis pas Charlie. Why? Because people are now getting into trouble in France for saying they are not Charlie. Schoolchildren were made to have a mandatory “debate” about the sodding cartoons, and some kids who said that Samuel Paty would have done better not to show them had their homes searched by the police at 6am. That’s definitely not freedom of speech, only freedom to say what Macron wants as he continues to bash the Muslims. I’m not a Muslim, but I’m definitely not Charlie. To anyone who says they are, I say; think very carefully about what you think you are doing.

I think context is everything. When it comes to sex ed in schools parents are informed it is going to happen, told what the kids will be learning and given the choice to opt their child out or not. Free speech is not really free speech if you make someone see or listen to something they find deeply offensive. This was not an adult situation where the adult could just walk away if they did not want to be involved.

How can anybody defend CH? The French laughing in the faces of the very people they brutally oppressed and murdered for decades? Depicting an innocent two year old boy who died under some of the worst circumstances as a sexual predator due to his religion?

Why Je suis Charlie and not Je suis Samuel?

I guess because it’s an better known bandwagon for the OP to jump on 🤷🏻‍♀️

It’s perfectly possible for a Y9 class to debate from a description of a caricature, without further spreading that offensive caricature.

We’ve had a lot of discussion on MN recently about violence towards women. Did each of those threads need to be spread with photos of battered, bloodied, bruised, raped, murdered women?

Of course such photos wouldn’t be “offensive” in the same way as the cartoon - but it makes my point. You don’t NEED pictures to have debate.

@Cocomarine

Why Je suis Charlie and not Je suis Samuel?

I guess because it’s an better known bandwagon for the OP to jump on 🤷🏻‍♀️

It’s perfectly possible for a Y9 class to debate from a description of a caricature, without further spreading that offensive caricature.

We’ve had a lot of discussion on MN recently about violence towards women. Did each of those threads need to be spread with photos of battered, bloodied, bruised, raped, murdered women?

Of course such photos wouldn’t be “offensive” in the same way as the cartoon - but it makes my point. You don’t NEED pictures to have debate.

Well said.

Je Suis Charlie. Je Suis Charlie as fuck.

The fact that children are being denied an education is just completely fucking ridiculous.

Nope never. You can ALWAYS be against both. Why does no one ever understand this? NO TO PEOPLE GETTING MURDERED and NO TO MAGAZINES USING SATIRE TO MARGANALIZE MINORITY GROUPS.

Making fun of people dying on a plane crash is never on. Neither is saying a refugee child would have been a groper in Germany if he was alive. Saying Je suis Charlie means you are part of the problem. Not actively calling out offensive, racist magazines.

@Pteppic

Je Suis Charlie. Je Suis Charlie as fuck.

The fact that children are being denied an education is just completely fucking ridiculous.

In what way are they being denied an education @Pteppic?

Agree - I think most probably do but are scared to say it.

I’m not Charlie, and I don’t believe the picture should be shown when it is known it causes offence to some. Why show it, other than to be provocative?