To think it has started

[oohmamama]

Live in a beautiful seaside town in the SW.

Yesterday, in the 5 minutes of getting out of my car I saw the second home owners from Oxford in their holiday home opposite our house had arrived and a whole family get out of their car with their suitcases arrive at their gran's house two doors down.

Just...bloody...WAIT!!!

@Weenurse

I don’t understand, here in Australia we are hearing about how the UK should be getting a third wave sometime soon, why are people travelling?

We’re now almost out of our 3rd wave. The EU is now backtracking re vaccines because they’re just starting their third wave.

They are only 48 hours early. Can't see the big deal.

@oohmamama

I apologise if 'beautiful seaside town' has offended people. I was merely setting the scene. And yes - I'd be pissed off it it was a grimy city centre but I guess it's less likely to happen there.

Do you really think that? Are you unaware that people have second homes in cities, or that beloved grandparents can live in cities?

My 80 year old mum lives alone in a city hundreds of miles from me. I miss her and I’m worried about her. I’m not going to break the rules to visit her, but I’m sure plenty of people are starting to visit cities, for just the same reasons that people are visiting beautiful seaside towns.

So no, I’m not offended by the scene setting. Just surprised you think it’s relevant.

Are you really that stupid that you don't realise how many rules you're breaking? I doubt it. More likely you don't care. What about using a holiday club?

Absolutely no holiday clubs running in my area so my mum is having my DC over the holidays. She lives alone and is in our bubble so it is ‘allowed’, but even if it wasn’t we’d be doing the same.
My mum is so excited, she retired 2 weeks ago from her full time job in the NHS and can’t wait to spend some time with them. In May she starts her voluntary role administering Covid vaccines.

@katienana plenty of people have been ill in hospital and many have died. Hence we have rules in place. Maybe your family and friends have been lucky that no-one has been in that situation but others haven’t been so lucky.

People are saying we are coming out of our third wave, but Boris said the other day we need to be mindful of the third wave hitting our shores

Are they second home owners or were they visiting their gran. Your post is not at all clear.

www.gov.uk/guidance/national-lockdown-stay-at-home#staying-away-from-home-overnight

Staying away from home overnight
You cannot leave your home or the place where you are living for holidays or overnight stays unless you have a reasonable excuse for doing so. This means that holidays in the UK and abroad are not allowed.

This includes staying in a second home, caravan or boat, if that is not your primary residence. This also includes staying with anyone who you don’t live with unless they’re in your support bubble.

You are allowed to stay overnight away from your home if you:

are visiting your support bubble
are unable to return to your main residence
need accommodation while moving house
need accommodation to attend a funeral or related commemorative event
require accommodation for work purposes or to provide voluntary services
are a child requiring accommodation for school or care
are homeless, seeking asylum, a vulnerable person seeking refuge, or if escaping harm (including domestic abuse)
are an elite athlete or their support staff or parent provided the athlete is under 18 and it is necessary to be outside of the home in order to take part in training or a competition
Guest accommodation providers such as hotels, B&Bs and caravan parks may remain open for the specific reasons set out in law.

A full list of reasons can be found in the guidance on closing certain businesses and venues in England.

How the rules will change on 29 March
Some of the rules on what you can and cannot do will change on 29 March. You can read the ‘COVID-19 Response - Spring 2021’ for more information on the roadmap out of lockdown in England.

From 29 March:

you will be able to meet outdoors either in a group of 6 (from any number of households), or in a group of any size from up to 2 households (each household can include existing support bubbles, if eligible)
you will be able to take part in formally organised outdoor sports with any number of people (outdoor sports venues and facilities will be able to reopen)
childcare and supervised activities will be allowed outdoors for all children
formally organised parent and child groups will be able to take place outdoors for up to 15 attendees. Children under 5 will not be not counted in this number

I no longer care about this. Neither does the majority if the country if they were honest. Particularly if its a second home, it belongs to them. They can live there. Bollocks this 'local town for local people' nonsense.

This. Out of the last 12 months I've been allowed to go to a property that belongs to me for 3 months. I've been paying for it, paying the managemenet fee at the property, paying council tax, and not been 'allowed' to go there even if I'm coming from somewhere with lower covid rates. It makes no sense. I'll be arriving at 12.01 midnight on 12th April.

This includes staying in a second home, caravan or boat

Unless you are a rich, famous person, then there are bullshit 'work' reasons why you need to be wherever the hell you like. Fuck that.

@Dontforgetyourbrolly

Move to an ugly industrial town in essex like me then you wouldn't have to worry about things like this

But I'm sure you have some amazing outdoor sculpture to visit.

If they are holiday let's, then they'll need to get them ready. My holiday let still has Christmas decorations waiting to be put away.

I'm not going this weekend, but I will be next weekend.

I'm sure the locals will whinge, but sorry things need to be done ahead of people arriving on the 12th.

I couldn't get animated about a grandparent seeing their child and grandchildren. My next door neighbour has had her family visit since she had her vaccinations. She seems much happier in herself now, at one point I was more worried about the isolation causing her to deteriorate than her dying with Covid. She does live with her grown up son (who isn't particularly communicative) so technically wouldn't have been 'allowed' to form a support bubble.

I live in the SW and most of the seaside towns are pretty shit. Be glad for the tourism.

People have been coming and going in central London throughout the lockdowns. Some from other other parts of the Uk and some from abroad. It is mostly for work but also for other many other reasons. I have never heard a single Londoner complain about it.

@MiddleParking

If following the rules is now considered arrogant then yup - that's me!

Follow them all you like, no one cares. Trying to police other people’s adherence to them (when you don’t even know what they are) is what’s arrogant.

I think people do care still we had a neighbour call the police on us and then gleefully put it on the road WhatsApp group.

@Lanzo

People have been coming and going in central London throughout the lockdowns. Some from other other parts of the Uk and some from abroad. It is mostly for work but also for other many other reasons. I have never heard a single Londoner complain about it.

My best friend in London has her parents coming to stay for Easter from Cornwall. Maybe it doesn’t matter so much if it’s the other way round?

I am with the OP on this. Rules are rules and everyone is trying to abide by them. If 48 hours is ok to break it by then what about 72 hours or even 96? And the reality is that more people migrate to holiday spots like this so the issue does not arise (as much) for other places.

Everyone can identify individual actions that they make wont have an impact - but the restrictions are such that we ALL have to make the effort but we know that some or even many don't think the the rules apply to them.

And, regarding helping the tourist industry - not sure if the holiday home is going to help the tourist industry.

So let them come - but at the designated time but not before.

Well we live near a "Beautiful Seaside town" as well .Unless in complete LD the rules are now easing to allow travel within the UK.I admit its nice out of season as we/dogs can have the run of the beach ,but equally I like that people from City areas can come here and enjoy themselves .We lived in London as a child so used to holiday here ourselves!

What did they say when you told them to fuck off home? Ahh thought so you don't own that "beautiful seaside town in the sw" I live in a touristy place and as soon as the sun shined on Thursday it began...it's annoying but expected if you live in a nice place.

Apologies for the mistake, we are allowed to make them on Mumsnet, I believe?!

OP, people point out grammatical errors when they know their arguments are too weak to do anything better

Meh! I live in the a small village in the South West, 3 miles from beautiful beaches that will soon be chocka of tourists. Despite the increased traffic and not having the beach to myself like in winter; I honestly don’t begrudge them coming. If I lived in an inner city, I would too. It’s easy for those of us who have been locked down in our beautiful countryside with plenty of beaches to visit, moors to walk on, fields to enjoy our exercise in. If you lived in a flat in London or even a city centre house in Bristol (where even most of the parks were locked up last year), you’d do exactly the same.

"Everyone is very welcome - when they're allowed to come."

Oooh, the official chief of the Devon welcoming committee is right here on MN

And for the love of god, will you stop saying "comes alive". You sound like the Greatest Showman.

Why aren’t you visiting your mother RiojaRose? We’re visiting my DF for Easter, just like we did for Christmas and February half term. DSis has visited in between (leaving a 2 week gap). Unless your DM is in a support bubble with a sibling who visits her very frequently there’s absolutely no reason for you to stay away.

No idea why you're getting a hard time on here OP. None of us like the rules or want to stick to them, but I thought most of us were following them for the greater good.
I wish I had the confidence of other posters that we're not going to see a third wave. Hopefully the vaccine rollout will prevent or dampen it, but we don't know yet. I feel like I'm in a parallel universe. All these people saying that Europe haven't been in lockdown since Christmas? 🤷‍♀️ They have been in lockdown, just like us, they're just behind with vaccinations. Someone even suggested we won't get a third wave because we're not in the EU anymore?!