Is anyone else sick of anti police/some of the younger generation in general?

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I'm 29 so in no means "old" but I don't know what's happened the past couple of years.

I was bought up to respect police, not break the law. Obviously I have, underage drinking etc yet I've never been in trouble with police. Twitter is full of 17-20 year olds slagging off the police for breaking up protests etc hello we are in a pandemic and I'd really like to be out of lockdown soon?

Was also bought up to not judge anyone by their skin colour, religion, sexual orientation etc I have friends who are gay, black, white, Muslim, Jewish yet none of them understand this whole she/her announce your pronouns stuff, we all just respect each others preferences/views/religions/self identification.

Is anyone else feeling sick of this or am I alone???

Teens usually lack respect but nowadays parents back them up when they are rude and disrespectful to police or teachers etc The parents wade in with the ‘he is a lovely lad just lively/misunderstood

I saw that news about police making up stories at Bristol. I’m also aware of police being useless over domestic violence, deliberately obstructive over reports of sexual assault to the point of lies, and even useless at dealing with crime in an outer city neighbourhood, being rather more friendly with the crooks they saw regularly than the law-abiding citizens who were their victims. I know one or two police officers I respect - in Nottingham curiously enough - but on the whole policemen are men the same as any other and no friends of mine.

@Theythinkitsalloveritisnow defunding the police, in my opinion, doesn’t mean getting rid of them entirely. For intractably violent offenders, there of course needs to be a way of ensuring that they are at no risk of being able to reoffend. However, I do think that our society needs to be completely restructured so that the root causes of violence and abuse are addressed. At the moment, they are left to fester. No youth clubs, woeful support for underequipped parents, disastrous social housing, minimum wage that doesn’t cover basic living costs, reactionary drugs policy etc

I've been pushed to the ground multiple times at pride parades by police who had a god awful cruel look in their eyes.
why on earth do we owe these people unquestionable respect just because they put a uniform on? its paid thuggery as far as im concerned, they think they can get away with anything, because they have for hundreds of years

@Cheshirewife Well I didn't know Sarah Everard, but there is another example of awful policing.

I have had awful experiences with the police, - when I was mugged for example.

Additionally, it is spelt intelligentsia you big breeze block.

However, I do think that our society needs to be completely restructured so that the root causes of violence and abuse are addressed.

agree

My grandfather was a police officer. I never really knew him but, from what I’ve heard, he was a very decent man. He eventually left the police because he was disgusted by what he saw as institutional failings including widespread corruption. Criticising the cultural and institutional problems with policing doesn’t mean you think every single person working for the police is bad. My grandfather wasn’t some kind of unwashed anarchist agitator sprung from the Daily Mail’s nightmares - he was a good apple worn down by having to be around the bad apples.

@lostPEkit

My grandfather was a police officer. I never really knew him but, from what I’ve heard, he was a very decent man. He eventually left the police because he was disgusted by what he saw as institutional failings including widespread corruption. Criticising the cultural and institutional problems with policing doesn’t mean you think every single person working for the police is bad. My grandfather wasn’t some kind of unwashed anarchist agitator sprung from the Daily Mail’s nightmares - he was a good apple worn down by having to be around the bad apples.

That's really saddening, that nothing much has changed since your grandad's day.

YANBU, I feel the same.

Goodness me- not all men in the world are bad! Not all policemen are bad. They are husbands, sons and dads like all other men are.
Shock horror- not everything you read or see in the media is true!
Grow up.

I know, weleasewoderick23 - I think he would be very sad if he could see how little has changed.

@Toffeecat2019 What my ds saw in Bristol wasn't in the press, he saw it with his own eyes. Just because you haven't seen/experienced polic

Pressed too soon!
Just because you haven't had a personal experience, doesn't mean it doesn't happen. And actually, I'm very grown up!

There is literally NO excuse for injuring 21 police officers, attacking a police station and setting fire to police vehicles with officers still inside in the name of protest.

I am sick of the mindless violence. I am sick of the police bashing as one single entity when, much like the NHS, it is made up of a multitude of different parts and people.

There are horrible individuals working in all sectors, and there are ingrained, horrible organisational cultures in many organisations, including the police, the NHS, parliament, fire brigade and other sectors. Violence and negative actions/reactions do nothing to promote and drive culture change.

@Advic3Pl3as3

There is literally NO excuse for injuring 21 police officers, attacking a police station and setting fire to police vehicles with officers still inside in the name of protest.

I am sick of the mindless violence. I am sick of the police bashing as one single entity when, much like the NHS, it is made up of a multitude of different parts and people.

There are horrible individuals working in all sectors, and there are ingrained, horrible organisational cultures in many organisations, including the police, the NHS, parliament, fire brigade and other sectors. Violence and negative actions/reactions do nothing to promote and drive culture change.

I entirely agree. Violence solves nothing.

But many demonstrations are peaceful - you only hear of the violence so that's your frame of reference. Yes, police get injured, but so many innocent people do too. Just because they've got a uniform doesn't make them God.

I don’t think it’s only the young.
Individually there are undoubtedly good police officers, often in affluent rural areas, who are good people, whom provide reassurance and a sense that order is being maintained.

Collectively, in large cities and depressed areas, I’m not sure I give unerring support. There is brutality. There is racism. There is a laddish culture and dismissal of women’s fears and reports.

All the while the police guard statues more than women or others who feel vulnerable, there will be a lack of respect amongst those who feel let down.

All the while they’re enacting the hardline, bordering far right politicise of our government they’ll bear the brunt of people’s anger; even if people aren’t understands they are feeling so angry.

We could do with a better educated police force. One where they are able to understand their prejudices and take a wider view.

I'm pretty tired of people trying to silence legitimate criticism by crying "anti-police".

I am even more tired of people whose lives have been untouched by sexual violence trying to use rape victims to silence valid criticism of policing. That is spectacularly crass.

It must be nice to live in such a safe little bubble that it hasn't occurred to you that being raped and experiencing the police's response to that is the reason many women do not have respect for - or engage in blind hero-worship towards - policing.

I am even more tired of people whose lives have been untouched by sexual violence trying to use rape victims to silence valid criticism of policing

Where has anyone done that?

@Toffeecat2019

Goodness me- not all men in the world are bad! Not all policemen are bad. They are husbands, sons and dads like all other men are. Shock horror- not everything you read or see in the media is true! Grow up.

And some of us are even women. Who get kicked, punched, spat on and called "piggy slags" and attacked by men who aren't in uniform...

I dont think the beliefs being aired are particularly more common among younger people than other generations. I'm seeing a lot of similar posts from people of my age (mid 30s) on Facebook.

I think it runs across the political spectrum to an extent too. My parents and grandparents are right wing (the most left wing they have ever voted is Conservative) but they seem to have similar opinions on the police too - largely formed due to (a) a family friend dying in police custody (an independent witness' account seems to indicate manslaughter or similar), (b) police regularly beating up suspected petty criminals around the back of the family business, as a negotiated alternative to a formal arrest, and (c) police regularly shoplifting from the business.

Should add that none of the above incidents are particularly recent but I think you'd be surprised at the prevalence of anti-police sentiment.

And some of us are even women. Who get kicked, punched, spat on and called "piggy slags" and attacked by men who aren't in uniform...

Having been married to one for a very long time. I'd say they are mainly hypocrits who bend the rules to suit themselves and behave like arses and try to intimidate you left right and centre.

Well that's the ones I know anyway.

I'm sure some of them are perfectly lovely.

nobody said that all police are bad
@weleasewoderick23
Did you not see all of the "ACAB" banners over the last few weeks? Do you not realise what the acronym stands for?

@LakieLady

demonstrators can be utter cunts too

True, but at least we're not paying them handsomely to do it.

If you think that a Constable's wage is "handsome" then you have a very strange concept of money.