Is anyone else sick of anti police/some of the younger generation in general?

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I'm 29 so in no means "old" but I don't know what's happened the past couple of years.

I was bought up to respect police, not break the law. Obviously I have, underage drinking etc yet I've never been in trouble with police. Twitter is full of 17-20 year olds slagging off the police for breaking up protests etc hello we are in a pandemic and I'd really like to be out of lockdown soon?

Was also bought up to not judge anyone by their skin colour, religion, sexual orientation etc I have friends who are gay, black, white, Muslim, Jewish yet none of them understand this whole she/her announce your pronouns stuff, we all just respect each others preferences/views/religions/self identification.

Is anyone else feeling sick of this or am I alone???

@Chanjer absolutely!

I don't trust the police much.

And I also dislike the behaviour of these demonstrators- just middle class troublemakers without enough to worry about.

@therocinante

Also - superplumb - I'm sorry you've had a negative experience. I'm friends with a police officer and I would hate any harm to come to him or any individual within the force.

But it doesn't change that I think that policing in this country is corrupt, badly run and institutionally racist and misogynist. That's not on individuals (most of the time), it's on the Government and the prevailing problems in society, but unfortunately you give someone with a few questionable views some power and a pair of cuffs and the backing of the force (because police do protect their own, I've seen it with my own eyes working closely with them in a safeguarding role) - surrounded by some others who also joined for the power trip - and you have a problem. Multiply that by thousands and add a heavy handed government and you have a mess.

Agree. There are a lot of issues. As a woman I find it hard..however it has improved in the 13 years I've been in. I've encountered sexism both direct and indirect, bullying too and my face doesnt fit and I'm not in a clique ...I've reported so many over lost count. 1 major issue is the professional standards in 1 police investigate their own forces officers. I've been saying for years that needs to change. There needs to be more transparency and openness...so one force will investigate another's officers, that way they wont know each other...its hard for the good officers on the inside too

• The Police Service needs independently policing.
• There are good and bad officers and good and bad political directions given to those officers.
• Many 'peaceful protests' are far from peaceful and get infiltrated by violent anarchists hell bent on their own agenda.

All that said, if I'm in danger I'd call the police.
Many police officers have lost their lives in the service of the community, or been seriously injured.
Poor decisions by the courts do little to support the police.
No way would I want to live in a country without a police service
Police Officers and Prison Officers are underpaid for the risks they take on a daily basis on our behalf

@Daphnise

I don't trust the police much.

And I also dislike the behaviour of these demonstrators- just middle class troublemakers without enough to worry about.

Wow! That was some sweeping statement 😳

demonstrators can be utter cunts too

True, but at least we're not paying them handsomely to do it.

What alternative would people like?

I read the varsity link and am a bit shocked it came from Cambridge tbh.

I am interested in suggestions people have for when they are victims of crime and perpetrators? Are people advocating for an alternative set of roles in the community that can assist/protect them?

Yeah I don't think anyone's saying that having none would be preferable. But a police force that doesn't routinely not record crimes (80,000 crimes not recorded by GMP in a single year, many of them violent crimes and the premature closure of 70% of DV cases) and does things like take action against their very own flasher shouldn't really be some impossible dream

@LakieLady

demonstrators can be utter cunts too

True, but at least we're not paying them handsomely to do it.

Handsomely? Have you any idea of the training I've gone through...if that was private I'd be on twice as much. Cant strike, annual leave gets cancelled rest days cancelled, 24hours shifts often, no employee rights, directed to work enforced overtime ( and we also pay tax)

[quote stroopwafelgirl]I fit within your age bracket and I agree with the principle of defunding the police. In my limited experience of the police (as a witness on several occasions), I have found them to be aggressive, crude and really poor at de-escalating situations. This goes for male and female officers. I have also seen two serious incidents where someone was clearly in mental distress in a public place, and ended up being treated like a dangerous criminal. Lack of mental health provision means that vulnerable people are at greater risk of state violence at the hands of the police. Whether it be inappropriate restraint/people being confined to cells and not safeguarded from self injurious behaviours/lack of reasonable adjustments when being cautioned or interviewed.
This article provides a good summary of why I feel the way I do.
www.varsity.co.uk/opinion/20060[/quote]
The police can be bastards, but I wouldn't want to live in a country without them- what is your solution for dealing with the violent people with no police? Serious question, how do you think people should cope with the anti social amongst us?

Unfortunately the police are getting so many things wrong atm. Perhaps it has forever been so. But the people are less compliant. A lot of this has to do with the internet and social media.

@Chanjer

Yeah I don't think anyone's saying that having none would be preferable. But a police force that doesn't routinely not record crimes (80,000 crimes not recorded by GMP in a single year, many of them violent crimes and the premature closure of 70% of DV cases) and does things like take action against their very own flasher shouldn't really be some impossible dream

Having worked as a dc in the dv unit, I can safely say high risk.cases are investigated...many victims withdraw support because they either get back with the partners or refuse to go to court. I'd also point out it's the cps who charge dv cases not the police.

I'm not surprised the youth are kicking off.

Did you read the report?

And you know premature closure means it didn't get to the cps

I'd also ask you all if the police are so shite, why are the prisons full? Or are they all poor innocents.
I think most anti police folk should join as a special constable. You only need to.do 15 hours a month...then you'll see 1st hand rather than relying on the left wing papers or the anti police daily mail.
Just a thought

I don't really trust the police as an institution & never have. Doesn't mean there aren't excellent officers who work really hard.

Cops that can't hear criticism of the police remind me of someone 🤔

HM Inspectorate of Constabulary (HMIC) said about 220 crimes a day went unrecorded in the year up to June 2020.

Those pesky left wingers

@Chanjer Mmmmm I wonder too 😂

@Chanjer

Did you read the report?

And you know premature closure means it didn't get to the cps

Yes it can include 'early investigative advice' which is a sit down with the cps who give advice guidance and their opinion, not necessarily a charging decision. Many many dv cases do not go ahead because the victim is not supporting the investigation which is highly unlikely to get to court. Units work with the victims to win the round to support them but ultimately we are victim led...

Whatever superplumb NAPALT I'm sure

I'm over 50 & bloody glad young people are angry, about the police, & about the abuse of state power - they should be!
The state, including the police, and the government are there to serve us, it's not the other way around as the current government seems to think.

@DdraigGoch which is exactly why i didn’t mention doctors or nurses, and instead referred to the previous poster’s examples of shopkeepers and driving instructors.

@Jjjjjj1981

I think a massive amount of women and girls that have been victims of gender based violence and been failed and dismissed by the police would not agree with you OP. Look at sexual assault conviction statistics for instance. I have absolutely no faith in the police, I would expect nothing from them if I were the victim of a crime now. The whole institute needs a shake up.

I haven't got quite as disillusioned as having no faith in them, but that's partly because I live in an area where the police take DV/DA very seriously and professionally (I have both personal and professional experience of this).

But I agree that overall there is far too much institutionalised sexism and racism in the police, and when it comes to public order, they really need to take another look at how they deal with it.

And as for the shitting and pissing, the police didn't seem to mind it when they had loads of protesters kettled in tube station subways without access to toilets for hours on end, including my friend's DIL who was 5 months pregnant and still wasn't allowed to leave to find a public bog.

I completely support the police and I respect them. Yes they don’t always do everything right, no one does and no profession does.

What people seem to forget or want to forget is that they are men and women, often with children working all hours and being abused constantly. Why should they have to be screamed at and abused by some twenty year old who literally doesn’t have a clue? Actually being liberal and fair is about respecting people.