Is anyone else sick of anti police/some of the younger generation in general?

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I'm 29 so in no means "old" but I don't know what's happened the past couple of years.

I was bought up to respect police, not break the law. Obviously I have, underage drinking etc yet I've never been in trouble with police. Twitter is full of 17-20 year olds slagging off the police for breaking up protests etc hello we are in a pandemic and I'd really like to be out of lockdown soon?

Was also bought up to not judge anyone by their skin colour, religion, sexual orientation etc I have friends who are gay, black, white, Muslim, Jewish yet none of them understand this whole she/her announce your pronouns stuff, we all just respect each others preferences/views/religions/self identification.

Is anyone else feeling sick of this or am I alone???

Most people like the police until they have anything to do with them

Well, go join the police if you think you can do a better job

In every instance I've seen, the police have done an amazing job. They have to deal with endless idiots/drug takers/drunks/timewasters, year-on-year increases in demand and an ever shrinking budget.

Every cop I've come across has been compassionate and committed to their job.

Funnily enough, all of the police detractors I've come across have been the kind of people who are either likely to end up in a police cell or who believe their minor inconvenience should be the police's no.1 priority.

@weleasewoderick23 I found it buried in a Twitter thread, strangely that backtracking hasn't been publicised.

Sunday night was horrendous, I agree, but again the press ignored the hours of peaceful protest across Bristol beforehand. Peaceful - legal - protest against a bill that uses COVID as a way to rush through unprecedented powers for the police to stop peaceful protest. Unsurprising coming from Priti Patel, but still scary.

I've never been in trouble with the police. That doesn't stop me being disgusted at the way some of them behave.

Every cop I've come across has been compassionate and committed to their job.

Funnily enough, all of the police detractors I've come across have been the kind of people who are either likely to end up in a police cell or who believe their minor inconvenience should be the police's no.1 priority.

Yes, just like that woman at the Sarah Everard vigil who was told that the Officer couldn't be bothered to investigate the man who flashed her.

Would you like a chufty badge OP?

@ClaudiaWinkleman

[Slow clap]. So you have one example of something a person you don't know reported? And that means the police are bad?

Good to see the intelligencia are out tonight...

Yep me. I'm.a cop and have been for years. I go to work, get seat at punched hit assaulted,courts do nothing, colleagues ready to stab you in the back, media hates us, politicians use us members of public tar us all with the same brush. Its tiring. I've had awful experiences with nhs dr, nurses, midwife but I'm intelligent enough to know they're not all the same and can only work with what they have. Do I agree with the crime bill?no. Do I want a police state?no. Am I sexist, racist? No. If you dont agree with the bill take it up with the Tories...police uphold the laws even if we dont agree with it...yes some police are bellends ( I've worked with many) but were not all like that and I'm tired of being viewed as such.

Thank God @BridgeFarmKefir and @weleasewoderick23 - I've posted the link to that in the Guardian twice on this thread and started to think I'd slipped into some parallel universe or just hallucinated it as there was zero response.

I also started a thread asking about where police powers were going based on several stories running in the Guardian with links, which only one person responded to, which is fair enough, no-one has to reply to a thread, but I thought it might be worthy of discussion.

On balance I've had more negative experiences with both law enforcement and healthcare professionals, and a few really good ones, and I strive not to let my experiences influence bias and try to treat each individual as a blank slate, judging them only on their actual behaviour in the moment, but I can't deny I'm a bit more alert and very measured in my reactions, because of my experiences.

I'm very interested in how far things can go, and how new powers coming in might be open to abuse in general is all.

Police in the UK are, comparatively speaking, very good, undoubtedly one of the world's best forces.

Compare them with the thuggery in places like the USA or South Africa for example, or even in other parts of Europe.

That doesn't negate the fact that they have just fucked up royally.

You can respect the police and still criticise some of their actions.

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@BridgeFarmKefir That's what ds told me, that it was peaceful and the police inflamed the situation. The unfortunate thing is, every time there's a peaceful protest it usually ends up violent when the police arrive!

Am I seeing a conspiracy to enable Priti Patel to rush through legislation severely curtailing free speech and the right to demonstrate?

@poppycat10

You can respect the police and still criticise some of their actions.

Agree totally, I criticise my colleagues too and I've reported many in my time for losts of reasons...but after reading lots of posts of anti police on MN annoys me. My gp is am elderly man...should I stop going for help because of harold shipman? Not all police are bad and the irony of people moaning ' about the police' as a whole while moaning the police dont treat people as individuals is lost on some people

So despite everything the police have done in the past year alone they should be respected because...?

Obviously we needs people out on the streets patrolling. What we don't need are trumped up power hungry arseholes doing this.

Until they start policing from within they will not have my respect. They don't deserve it. Act like a thug on the job, anyone else it would be a sackable offence at least. How many SuperIntendent in the past year went on tv to basically tell us, the criminal thug in uniform has been moved or some other ridiculous sanction?

@Nandakanda

Looks like you've hit a bunch of 6th formers OP.

Most would be too scared to go outside in a police-less society. They really have no idea.

What a lazy argument. Do you presume that everyone who is against the current state of policing is 17 years old and has no idea about the real world? Because very often, the entire reason people are anti-police is because they've experienced or seen the very damaging culture in UK policing.

@canigooutyet

So despite everything the police have done in the past year alone they should be respected because...?

Obviously we needs people out on the streets patrolling. What we don't need are trumped up power hungry arseholes doing this.

Until they start policing from within they will not have my respect. They don't deserve it. Act like a thug on the job, anyone else it would be a sackable offence at least. How many SuperIntendent in the past year went on tv to basically tell us, the criminal thug in uniform has been moved or some other ridiculous sanction?

So my point exactly...'power hungry thugs'. Which one? All of them?? And btw, I know plenty who've been sacked. But what you believe as thuggery is very different to reality. I'd be interesting in reading your experience. Ive never knowingly acted as a thug.

@canigooutyet

So despite everything the police have done in the past year alone they should be respected because...?

Obviously we needs people out on the streets patrolling. What we don't need are trumped up power hungry arseholes doing this.

Until they start policing from within they will not have my respect. They don't deserve it. Act like a thug on the job, anyone else it would be a sackable offence at least. How many SuperIntendent in the past year went on tv to basically tell us, the criminal thug in uniform has been moved or some other ridiculous sanction?

So presumably you dont respect any profession then.? I've met lazy thieving builders, rude dr receptionists dr, nurses who sexually assault and murder...ok, let's disrespect everyone ...or is it just the police you dislike?

Also - superplumb - I'm sorry you've had a negative experience. I'm friends with a police officer and I would hate any harm to come to him or any individual within the force.

But it doesn't change that I think that policing in this country is corrupt, badly run and institutionally racist and misogynist. That's not on individuals (most of the time), it's on the Government and the prevailing problems in society, but unfortunately you give someone with a few questionable views some power and a pair of cuffs and the backing of the force (because police do protect their own, I've seen it with my own eyes working closely with them in a safeguarding role) - surrounded by some others who also joined for the power trip - and you have a problem. Multiply that by thousands and add a heavy handed government and you have a mess.

So despite everything the police have done in the past year alone they should be respected because

because some of them put their lives on the line when they run into terrorist situations and they also have to deal with situations like the Sarah Everard case, would you like to have dig up a body and tell the family it's their daughter (yes I know she was killed by a police officer but they do that sort of work every day)?

Some of course have been utter twonks, again around the Sarah Everard case, and of course the stupid incidents relating to covid, eg the two women in Derbyshire, the drones, etc. It does not reflect well on them.

@superplumb nobody said that all police are bad, but there have been lots of evidence of institutional racism and mysogeny ( Stephen Lawrence springs to mind) that can't be ignored. It's a huge organisation that is bound to have bad apples, but that shouldn't be allowed to happen and people should feel that they are treated fairly and equally by them. As it is that isn't the case and as a result people don't respect them.
As an ex nurse, I think your analogy of your GP is way off the mark. There are many awful healthcare worker that are not all old.

There are some excellent, principled police out there. There is also mysogny and institutional racism. The actions of the police at Clapham Common was reprehensible. I'm delighted that the younger generation are not blindly respectful but are instead calling them to account.

The unfortunate thing is, every time there's a peaceful protest it usually ends up violent when the police arrive!

it's "easier" to quell a violent demo than a peaceful one, and attracts much less criticism. So they ramp em up as much they can. Also Agent Provocateurs are a common tactic

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-55251366