Is anyone else sick of anti police/some of the younger generation in general?

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I'm 29 so in no means "old" but I don't know what's happened the past couple of years.

I was bought up to respect police, not break the law. Obviously I have, underage drinking etc yet I've never been in trouble with police. Twitter is full of 17-20 year olds slagging off the police for breaking up protests etc hello we are in a pandemic and I'd really like to be out of lockdown soon?

Was also bought up to not judge anyone by their skin colour, religion, sexual orientation etc I have friends who are gay, black, white, Muslim, Jewish yet none of them understand this whole she/her announce your pronouns stuff, we all just respect each others preferences/views/religions/self identification.

Is anyone else feeling sick of this or am I alone???

well.... hmme I am late 40's and do have respect for the police, but it is qualified. In my working life I have cause to work with officers and more senior ranks (at times) many of whom are excellent (and I mean really amazing). However, some have been truly awful and as a citizen (not in my working role) I have observed some truly shocking practice and been on the receiving end of what (looking back) was threatening and intimidating behaviour when they closed ranks around one of their own.....
And there is quite clearly institutional racism and misogyny, which should bother everyone but is particularly bothering if you are female or BAME....If they want blanket respect then they really need to up their game and weed that shit out....

[quote stroopwafelgirl]@Bluebird2021
Six people have died in Met police custody this year so far. A serving Met police officer kidnapped and killed a young woman. Police officers distributed crime scene photographs on a whatsapp group chat and made jokes about them. Are those good enough examples for you?[/quote]
totally NOT the question I was replying to though. so its irrelevant

you clearly just wanted an excuse to post that about Sarah Everard. which nobody here is disputing is wrong AT ALL

Both. Failures come at investigation, charging and conviction.

Respect is earned, and the actions of some police officers in recent years has shaken that. It’s not a new thing to be anti-police either. It’s a very common part of youth cultures to be establishment.

Twitter isn't representative, but most Twitter users aren't in the ages described. Maybe alter who you're following and what hashtags you're looking at if it's riling you up so much.

Partially because I'm American, partially because of how my family is, but I'm older and I was brought up not to talk to police unless absolutely needed and I was ready and willing for someone to get hurt. That police can hurt people and lie to people in doing their job without recourse - sometimes because being part of the state monopoly on legal violence is for the greater good, sometime they're just assholes drunk on power. I'm well aware as a light mixed race woman that the wrong word said to the wrong police officer could kill someone. I've seen something as simple as giving an address change a police officer's entire demeanor and attitude toward me.

I was brought up knowing the law is often unfair, that it's enforcement is even more unfair, but sometimes we choose to go along with that because it's easier, the risks and power needed to change seem just too much -- but sometimes we've got nothing else to lose or just don't care anymore or we find the law is just a suggestion because it's rarely enforced properly.

The law is a system, there is nothing in it to respect, and I find it funny when people go on about respecting while also saying how they broke laws that clearly don't matter them. You're not getting in trouble with the police has little to do with your respect then, does it? It has to do with how the law is enforced - rarely is underage drinking taken seriously. As someone who didn't drink underage and having dealt with children still in elementary getting smashed because their parents think the law doesn't matter and the kids are safer if they let them drink at a friend's house (having never met my father), I really wish it was more often though more socially than through the police.

That you were taught to not judge people on their traits, but seem to be judging an entire generation based on their perceived age is a bit telling - maybe you're more judgemental than you think, before getting to the ramble about pronouns. While some young people can be a bit much -- I actually find there are plenty of older people as much if not more involved in all that.

I had a very similar experience unfortunately.
If the rate of charging for crimes against women, as well as conviction, is so outrageously low, doesn’t that say a lot about how women are generally viewed and treated by the people meant to be investigating and trying their hardest to get justice for the victim.

@Notanotherhun

So basically, anarchy. Nice. Sounds like a safe future for us all.

Yes. I despair of the claims that people were peacefully protesting and it was the police who turned it into a riot. There was no excuse for the disgraceful events in Bristol.

I was bought up to respect police, not break the law.

Just wanted to comment on this again. Many people respect the police and don’t break the law, however are treated abysmally by the police. Eg as others have mentioned, black men being targeted and constantly pulled over even thought they were driving impeccably - it’s as if the police think when a black man has a nice car, it must be funded by fraudulent means right?

Essentially it’s not like the police only target people who break the law and are therefore deserving of being treated like trash. It just hasn’t happened to you due to your privilege(s). Meanwhile, whilst they’re pulling over a random, innocent person for no reason they’re simultaneously issuing an abuse victim a “no further action” letter to their crime report due to a “lack of police resources”.

I can certainly relate to why protesters want an improvement in policing efforts. It does seem like the limited resources they have, they use inefficiently

The sooner people understand that the police are there to protect property and maintain the status quo the better.

I also don't understand what being of different races and religions has to do with pronouns?

@ThrowingAShellstrop
www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/protesters-defecated-feet-police-officers-5212101

It would have taken you less time to Google than it did to send that post.

Quite a lot of people who saw what happened in Bristol will now be thinking "the government wants to ban protests? Good!"

@Whatisthisfuckery

The police get respect when they earn it, just like everybody else. It’s a fool who gives deference just because they are told to.

This.

British police forces have a culture of institutional misogyny, just as they had (and probably still have!) institutional racism.

We need police, but the police we have are pretty shit.

@Theluggage15

I think a lot of people in the police must be fairly thick too. Look at how it’s had to be pointed out to them time and time again that they’re misinterpreting the law. For example that silly van one police force parked outside a Tesco which said being offensive is an offence or the man who got told off for letting his kids play in his own garden. Countless examples of them getting it wrong. It’s their fault people are losing respect.

Well at least they are obviously representative of wider society then because a lot of the public are pretty thick. Ask anyone who's ever worked in a customer-facing role.

Please note the "some of the younger generation".

I obviously believe respect people who earn respect and as a white person I am extremely lucky that I haven't faced racism etc.

What I'm trying to get across is that I hope my children will never be racist, never have to title themselves as they can be who they want, never attend protests as they get violent and out of hand whether that's down to police or the actions of the protestors.

I'm just sick of it all.

I agree with nandakanda that a state with no police control would be a nightmare.

I also think the Bristol riots went out of control when it was a chance to show that protesting/demonstrating could be done peacefully. The defecating was absolutely vile. How is that necessary as part of a protest?

I'd be interested to know what those of you who are anti police would do for example if you were raped in an alleyway, victim of domestic abuse, knifed in the street. If the police are defunded are we going to take things into our own hands?

Also watching some programmes recently such as the paedophile one where police have to investigate awful online images makes me realise what a tough job it must be emotionally.

The new bill is a government proposal - so surely the anger should be directed at Parliament?

@converseandjeans

I agree with nandakanda that a state with no police control would be a nightmare.

I also think the Bristol riots went out of control when it was a chance to show that protesting/demonstrating could be done peacefully. The defecating was absolutely vile. How is that necessary as part of a protest?

I'd be interested to know what those of you who are anti police would do for example if you were raped in an alleyway, victim of domestic abuse, knifed in the street. If the police are defunded are we going to take things into our own hands?

Also watching some programmes recently such as the paedophile one where police have to investigate awful online images makes me realise what a tough job it must be emotionally.

The new bill is a government proposal - so surely the anger should be directed at Parliament?

The police were absolutely bugger all use when I needed them for DV.

I used to respect the police, but they have gained way too much power through the Coronavirus Act. Ganging up on and demanding fines from non-criminals. They will ignore the muggings, gang crime, burglaries... They beat up people at peaceful protests/vigils.

Cressida, is that you?

Yes. I despair of the claims that people were peacefully protesting and it was the police who turned it into a riot. There was no excuse for the disgraceful events in Bristol.
Indeed, if the protestors story is true, presumably when the police turned up all of the protesters just nipped off so that they could pick up spray cans and incendiaries.

I think not. These people clearly left home that day prepared to riot. It wasn't a spur of the moment thing.

I’m 62. Brought up to respect people that earn it.

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/mar/25/police-retract-claims-that-officers-suffered-broken-bones-at-bristol-protest

has anybody got any comment at all on this?

I’m sick of it all. I’ve been profiled and arrested due to a protected character so I’m not oblivious but Christ, is the rioting really needed? Why set fire to police vans with police in it?! I mean they are still human and most are just trying to do their job. Look further up the food chain and rally against them

I thought the way you do. That the police are the good guys and there too help you, but there not, they are just normally people who only care about getting paid and getting back to their partner/and kids. They won’t help you anymore than the next person will.

In theory the police are good, but in reality not so much.

I don’t get the pronoun nonsense, but I was last in a office 10 years ago so maybe that’s why. A person is a person to me and I don’t care about anyone enough to be interested in slating them in anyway. I understand that biological born men are physically stronger and have a different muscle build to women though, that don’t take a genius- have you seen young boys nowadays- at 15 they are like 6 foot tall!!! I swear the human race is getting taller! (It missed me though!)

I was brought up to question authority.

so who will you all call when you need help then, if you are anti-police? if theres a hit and run/you are attacked or burgled or if your kid is?

whats all the younger generation doing?