Is anyone else sick of anti police/some of the younger generation in general?

[fizzypop19]

I'm 29 so in no means "old" but I don't know what's happened the past couple of years.

I was bought up to respect police, not break the law. Obviously I have, underage drinking etc yet I've never been in trouble with police. Twitter is full of 17-20 year olds slagging off the police for breaking up protests etc hello we are in a pandemic and I'd really like to be out of lockdown soon?

Was also bought up to not judge anyone by their skin colour, religion, sexual orientation etc I have friends who are gay, black, white, Muslim, Jewish yet none of them understand this whole she/her announce your pronouns stuff, we all just respect each others preferences/views/religions/self identification.

Is anyone else feeling sick of this or am I alone???

Nope. Institutional racism and sexism that's not being dealt with, what's there to respect anymore.

am I alone???

I hope so.

@Theluggage15

I think a lot of people in the police must be fairly thick too. Look at how it’s had to be pointed out to them time and time again that they’re misinterpreting the law. For example that silly van one police force parked outside a Tesco which said being offensive is an offence or the man who got told off for letting his kids play in his own garden. Countless examples of them getting it wrong. It’s their fault people are losing respect.

countless examples? hope some are a bit better than those you gave there..

Smashing stuff up to make a point is stupid.

Very true. However people have been looting and destroying property for decades - it happens with every riot. It’s not endemic to today’s young people as this has been prevalent before they were born

Actually, I think it's great that the younger generation are starting to speak up and draw more awareness about things.

I was brought up in a racist and sexist household with emotionally stunted parents. I'm glad people are starting to be more open, accepting and even protesting. Including against the police when it needs be.

@Whatisthisfuckery

The police get respect when they earn it, just like everybody else. It’s a fool who gives deference just because they are told to.

Well said. The police do good stuff but also bad stuff and respect has to be earned.

OP I understand you on the second part - respect for humans as humans.

To be honest, it seems like there is no consensus to be reached here. I accept that people want a society with some level of policing, and I would be willing to go with that if I felt that there was a proper rehabilitative justice system in place and the other societal mechanisms needed to avoid people falling into crime. But there also seems to be a widely held polar opinion that wants draconian policing, “tough” justice, no right to protest etc. I don’t know how we’re going to bridge such a significant chasm without tearing the country apart.

no faith in the police or the CPS?

I'm not the person you directed this at, but I will say what I think.

On the face of it when my daughter went to the police about a serious matter the police were excellent and took it seriously. The CPS sat on the case for nearly a year and then said no. However if the police had seized phones and hard drives when the crime was reported there would have been a much better chance of having a good case. Instead they waited at least 6 months. Needless to say there wasn't anything left to seize. It's not like the telly.

@wingsnthat

Smashing stuff up to make a point is stupid.

Very true. However people have been looting and destroying property for decades - it happens with every riot. It’s not endemic to today’s young people as this has been prevalent before they were born

The suffragettes did it too. I'm guessing OP would be in a very different life now if they hadn't done that.

I've got literally zero respect for the police as a 40 something. Bunch of power-hungry facists.

I’m sick of the Police. The majority of people that I have met and have them gone on to join the Police are all bullies.

I’m a law abiding citizen, but my partner was pulled over for speeding and they asked him is occupation .... then asked him if his juicy bonus afforded him that kind of car.

The London Riots happened when you were 19. There are young arseholes from every generation.

This is not new, not generational, and not worth othering gen Z about. I'm older than you and there were pricks in my generation and every generation before me.

Yes it's depressing when people ruin peaceful protest with violence, but that's been happening forever.

Just as blind respect without critical thinking is a bad idea, this attitude some people (mostly younger people, but others as well) have that it's "cool" to automatically hate the police is stupid and dangerous. I believe that by far most police do the best they can to follow and enforce the law. They aren't perfect, but they as a whole don't deserve the derision they too often face.

I'd rather live in a place with police than without, but if we make it too unpopular to work for the police, we'll end up with a less effective police force, because fewer top-quality candidates will be interested in subjecting themselves to the hatred. It's already a dangerous job, under the best of circumstances.

Personally, what I'm sick of is the never-ending "culture war" with an ever-increasing number of "identity" factions that get het up about the stupidest of so-called microaggressions.

The government has hung the police out to dry in my opinion and have significantly contributed to the lack of respect that there is. A Prime Minister who has no moral compass, who turns a blind eye to any wrong doing by ministers and advisors, and who does not frame laws and restrictions clearly so that people feel picked upon, does not help.

Bad apples in the police force always seem to be those who join when other jobs are scarce.

If you’re saying your sick of toxic Twitter then I have a lot of sympathy.
WRT the police my parents always used to say “never trust the police”, they said they’d seen too many of their friends framed for crimes they hadn’t committed, I always thought they were wrong, but now I’m beginning to see they had a point.

You sound incredibly young and naieve. Yes I was taught to show respect. I wouldn't have dared to tell the police officer to F off and my parents never would've questioned the teachers at to a parents evening.
Millennials haven't been taught this.
But the police have plenty of offices et cetera who are awful and completely misogynistic and power hungry and don't do their jobs properly and they've been neglect and I don't have to look at many of the cases which have shown the police forces of Yorkshire and Hillsborough football disaster et cetera to be very awful and you clearly don't know anything about thats.

Do you think the police always investigate properly do you think they did with the Stephen Lawrence case I don't think so. Wake up. Stop being so naive.

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/mar/25/police-retract-claims-that-officers-suffered-broken-bones-at-bristol-protest

While there are elements on both sides hardly covering themselves in glory, I think the story above rather illustrates the root of some of the apathy towards the police at the moment quite neatly.

Individual police officers, like everyone else, are a mixed bunch. The Police as an institution feels fucked up right now. I realise this is an imprecise description.

As an example there are a number of cases of women being followed by a man wanking in my area and the police don't think it is worth investigating. It's well-known that this kind of behaviour leads to other more aggressive behaviour.

If you're black and driving a car round here you'd better be prepared to be pulled over once a week. If you're a black young man doing anything - well, just don't in front of a police officer.

But crimes against women are not worth investigating.

I used to think like you OP, that the police were the heroes and were there to help but now I realise how incredibly naive that was. I will be teaching my children not to blindly respect the police (or anyone for that matter) and that they don’t necessarily have your best interests at heart. I know there are some good officers (as with any professions, I have a relative in the police) but the whole culture is institutionally racist and misogynistic and these days I’d be much more wary of any interaction with them.

Nope, I'm all for it. And I say that as someone who is in the middle age wise, 26 with 2 dc so neither one of the youth nor an older person. And I also have someone I love very much in the force but honestly, it's time for change. Some of the stories my loved one has told me about what goes on is enough for me to think it's not right. Add on all the bad publicity the police have (rightly) been faced with lately and I can see why people have had enough. You earn respect, if you demand it then you don't deserve it. Seems some of the police officers (government etc) have forgotten this

I'm 59 and due to personal experience I wouldn't trust the Police further than I could throw them.

Early 30s and i am really appalled by some of the behaviour in the police atm, i was naiive and thought those days were over in the 70s,(im from Yorkshire) its definitely time to drain the swamp.

However, its incredibly dangerous to encourage disorder and contempt of the law, knife crime is insanely high and some teens and young adults to be frank are absolutely feral, i don't envy the police dealing with these specimens day in day out, i don't wish to make their job harder.