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Parents buying a house for me? Should I be more grateful? Why am I so concerned?

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Iamaperiwinkle · 25/03/2021 01:07

This may be long. I will also change some details so it is not outing.

Over the years parents have offered to help buy a house but wanted to say where it was, know my full finances etc and I declined. I’ve not had a great 20 years financially and nearly lost a house recently due to divorce etc But 20 years have now passed. We have now moved local. Currently renting from a friend who has sold it - so we will need to vacate in 6-10 weeks, possibly 12-16 weeks. . I have some equity from a house sale. I can not afford much of a mortgage due to various reasons. So buying is not an option.

To rent a tiny 3 bed house here is £1500 or even more a month minimum, my salary is not even double that. So we were looking at moving further away again. My parents took me a see a for sale sign house and viewing 2 weeks ago and then revealed they had actually been there twice and had made an offer. The house is amazing 5 mins walk from the children’s schools etc far far better than any rental place we have seen.

Parents suggest a cash purchase. They buy it outright but want all of my savings and then I pay them an income for 10 years or if I can raise a mortgage to pay them off ie I raise a mortgage for £50 K or pay them £500 a month for 100 months - then they gift me the house. It is brought in their sole name. If they die I inherit the house - it’s a gift.

From their side - this is their entire money savings hence wanting my savings and monthly payments - but over 5-10 years they will actually be gifting a huge proportion of money to me. They want me to be liable for all bills, insurance, council tax etc and the savings I gift them 50 K -should I stop paying the £500 a month agreement and they aren’t able to get me out of the house if gives them security . They suggest buying it solely in their names on the deeds but I will give them my £50k savings although they will put it like £400 K into the house. An agreement in place, not the sell the house until youngest is 18. 10 years so a ten year plan . We are not moving from here for many reasons. Including father of my children is local.

They initially said I could put in my £50 K and they would put my name on the deeds but they changed that this evening. I’ve told them I can’t gift them my entire savings - what happens if they don’t gift me the house, or they don’t agree with my lifestyle or whatever - I’ve given it away.

They point out at paying them £500 a month should I want I could reduce the time from 10 years to 5 or even 3. The other way to look at it is renting is £17 000 a year minimum - so I’d lose more than that renting over 5 years. Ie pay x3 the rent with no hope of a percentage ownership.

From my side - I am responsible for all mantainence on the house but it’s not in my name - I said no to this. I’ve invested all my savings. This worries me. Parents want it that if they chose they could sell but would have to give me my money back. But the roof is in good repair as is the boiler and house is it good condition. I can’t move but this would be my forever dream home.

The kids are all settled in local outstanding schools etc and I have no desire to move - they need make that clear we want to live here parents are 70 odd but fit and healthy.

I know with his dad - dads brothers situation where he agreed to buy the son a house and son was going to pay them £1000 - he stopped paying his uncle and tNeither want to screw the other over but we do want to protect ourselves

In 3 years finances will be in a position where I could raise the 50 K mortgage needed at that point I could buy them out and I would aim to do it ASAP just in case they did need care etc so we would have it written it that as soon as I raise the 50 K the house is mine to avoid any issues.

There isn’t much trust not because of them or me. Dads brother bought a house for son and rented it to them to get the money back they stopped paying the rent and this meant dads brother was locked in a legal battle to either evict son or give up the house

The only that they would see first (holiday £100 K a year they have enough other assests to pay for their care if they need it. The 50 k really to ensure I am paying it and committed and giving them an income.

On one occasion they were going to gift me the house. But they are worried about income. On another they were happy for me to put my money in (much smaller % of the total cost) and then put it in joint names. Now it is theirs and I gift them my savings and pay rent but get given the house a few years down the line.

I’m so confused. We want to do them right thing.

OP posts:
123sunshine · 25/03/2021 06:11

Under this plan, once you’ve repaid the loan and your parents gift you the house, if the property has risen in value there could be capital gains tax to pay (this would be their gain to pay on disposal/gift of the asset). Something else to keep in mind.

Aprilx · 25/03/2021 06:14

No I wouldn’t go ahead. There may be some legs to the idea generally, but not on the basis of these half arsed plans. To me (as an accountant) it doesn’t look like the tax or legal implications have been properly assessed and there is potential for major problems down the road. As I say, there may be some mileage in doing “something” but you need to sit dine with professionals to work out what that would be and if it is worth it.

nameisnotimportant · 25/03/2021 06:19

You would need to
Draw up a trust deed that states the agreement and what happens once you've paid the money. It's risky thought because it is literally based on trust. Trusting both sides to stick to the agreement. If they didn't stick to their side then you would need to be prepared to take them to court which can be costly. You would probably be successful in court as they would have broken the trust deed etc. If you u do it, make sure you get your own solicitor and that the trust need is iron clad. Keep a very thorough record of all the payments you make to them.

Roselilly36 · 25/03/2021 06:21

Sounds a minefield to be honest OP. It would be a no from me.

cryh · 25/03/2021 06:22

No, I would not do this. You will be worse off financially and more trapped.

Sorry, but you need to protect what you have (£50k savings) and this scenario loses you everything.

Sounds very difficult but your previous instincts were correct. I would not do this at all.

Woeismethischristmas · 25/03/2021 06:24

I really don’t understand why they can’t gift you the 300k you get a mortgage for a 100k. You own the house, they still have 100k equivalent to savings plus payments. 100k mortgage is less than 500 a month.

PankhurstTastic · 25/03/2021 06:26

Def take legal advice here- could you get a mortgage if your parents were guarantors on it? That way it's your house, your deposit. Def no to their current suggestion! You'd be better off if they buy a house & formally rent it to you at a cut price rent.

PurBal · 25/03/2021 06:27

Nope. But you can make agreements that you put in X and them Y, you'd need to speak to a solicitor as I don't remember what it's called. BIL did this with his GF as his life savings were used as the deposit and she put in nothing. FWIW I spend £15k on a property my parents owned, new kitchen and bathroom. We had a similarly casual agreement. I paid their mortgage and all the maintenance. Guess what, when I needed to move I suddenly owed them £15k. I just had to suck it up and ran, didn't want to be tied up financially and there was no proof of anything, I didn't think they'd try to make money off of their child.

Thisisworsethananticpated · 25/03/2021 06:28

It’s stressful even reading this

There are so many risks
Risks they need a care home
Risk you lose savings

What’s their intention here ?
Are they genuinely trying to help
As if so there has to be a better way

SchadenfreudePersonified · 25/03/2021 06:36

@glassshoes

The red flag for me is them being the owners. With you giving all your savings, the best part of a mortgage and ongoing maintenance costs towards the property. If your parents need care, it could be sold and you lose everything. Between both of them that is sadly a realistic risk.

It would be a no from me.

No. No - just no.

This is leaving you and your children far too vulnerable. Please don't risk it.

They have already moved the goalposts twice regarding your ownership - what if they felt they needed to shift them again regarding selling the property - or if you fell out with them?

It may not look like it but they are already trying to control your life (they didn't ask which house you might like - this was a fait accompli) and they will get worse.

Personally, I wouldn't touch this wearing Marigolds.

RedMarauder · 25/03/2021 06:37

You are confused because you know your parents are not doing the best thing for you but they are making it seem they are.

Simple answer is don't do this.

If they wanted to help you they would either make sure you were a tenant with no maintenance responsibilities, or gift and loan you different proportions of the money plus put the house in your name.

The amount you and they would spend on solicitors getting this complicated plan drawn up, plus capital gains tax in the future with this set up doesn't make it viable. Though I suspect if you start suggesting solicitors to them to get a proper legal agreement drawn up they would balk at the idea.

Inthefuture · 25/03/2021 06:48

Wouldn’t it work better if they bought a house and you paid them rent just as a tenant.

Pinkdelight3 · 25/03/2021 06:51

They suggest buying it solely in their names on the deeds

1000% NO!

Do not do this.

Even if you get legal advice and think you're safe, it can go wrong. My cousin's parents 'gifted' my cousin a house with agreements drawn up that the cousin was paying off the mortgage for it for years but when the time was up, it turned out the cousin didn't legally own it and the payments were only classed as rent and the parents still own it. And that was all just from incompetent fuck-ups, not nefarious intentions. Whereas your parents sound way less trustworthy unfortunately and aren't even pretending that you have any claim to the house. It's theirs and you're paying for it. Please, please don't get suckered into this.

haliborangemrmen · 25/03/2021 06:53

No. In additional to all the comments above, there are big tax implications of doing this. Your parents will be liable to capital gains tax on any uplift in value between the purchase and time they gift you the house, and also inheritance tax may be payable. Could be big numbers. Very unwise. Please don't do this.

WildfirePonie · 25/03/2021 06:54

I stopped reading when you mentioned it would be in their name.

Don't do it unless the house would go in your name. There is no guarantee you'll be left with the house.. they may need to sell for the money one day.

SeptemberAlexandra · 25/03/2021 06:55

Maybe suggest that the house goes into your sole name but that they register a charge against the property so effectively a private mortgage.

Anotherlovelybitofsquirrel · 25/03/2021 06:57

I stopped reading when you mentioned it would be in their name

This absolutely! Do NOT do this Op. You will lose everything. They're weird and it's sinister.

andadietcoke · 25/03/2021 07:00

We have a version of this but we are the owners. Your parents would need to buy the house, and then sell it to you for the cost of your savings or for whatever you can get a mortgage for. Your now own the house. We then have an agreement where we are effectively paying back their investment every month.

Disfordarkchocolate · 25/03/2021 07:05

No.

You both need legal advice to protect yourselves. As it is they want it all on their terms and you are very much left with no control or security.

DonLewis · 25/03/2021 07:06

Either they buy the house, take your 50k cash and put it in your name, or they buy the house in their names and rent it to you for a monthly sum.

The issue is, like everyone else has said, that if they own the house, it's an asset that can be used to pay for any care costs. The minute it's their name on the deeds, it's their asset so in any scenario where they own the house, its not a forever home for you for definite.

Ask yourself this. Do they really want to help you? Or do they want to control where you live and how your finances are arranged?

Skyliner001 · 25/03/2021 07:09

Be very wary of the fact that you should not call it rent, it sounds like they would be renting it to you at significantly below the market value, this has tax implications, because where rent is concerned iyou can't rent a property significantly below the market value. If HMRC find out they can insist you pay tax as if you were receiving the market value.

Also be aware of the implications of buying the property significantly less than the market rate further down the line, this could be seen as a way to escape capital gains tax. Just things to think about.

It sounds like there is not quite enough trust to do this arrangement, but it is kind on their part, and you obviously you stand to gain an awful lot more than they do.

Ideasplease322 · 25/03/2021 07:10

Speak to a solicitor

Skyliner001 · 25/03/2021 07:11

Also, gifting you the house direct does not have any tax implications. Unless they were to die within seven years, and then it could be seen as depletion of assets, and be subject to inheritance tax...however this sounds unlikely judging by what you're saying. If you then give them the money back monthly, this also doesn't have any tax implications as it is a gift 🎁

Skyliner001 · 25/03/2021 07:11

@Ideasplease322

Speak to a solicitor
This is literally the best advice here… Possibly a tax advisor to
Skyliner001 · 25/03/2021 07:12

@Anotherlovelybitofsquirrel

I stopped reading when you mentioned it would be in their name

This absolutely! Do NOT do this Op. You will lose everything. They're weird and it's sinister.

This is a ridiculous comment.