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Inheritance issues - part 2. AKA: Is FIL being manipulated and ripped off?

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ThornAmongstRoses · 24/03/2021 06:43

This thread is for those who helped me on my previous thread about my FIL upping sticks, handing his a big chunk off his money over to his daughter to ultimately live in her garden. Sorry but I don’t know how to link to my previous thread.

The update from what happened last night when we confronted FIL with our concerns:

“And it turns out that SIL is 14 weeks pregnant.

Apparently when she and her partner first suggested the Cabin idea 6 months or so ago and FIL declined and said he was happy to buy somewhere so he wouldn’t be under their feet, she told him not to be silly as the arrangement would work out really well for all involved as she and her partner were hoping to have more children in the future but that they wouldn’t be able to unless they had a bigger house anyway. SIL then told him how much it would mean to her and how wonderful it would be for FIL to be around to watch new grandchildren be born and see them grow up, liked he’d been around when DB (my husband) had had his children. FIL then agreed that it would be really nice to be around for early days and from then onwards, and agreed it was something he would happy be to look into.

Anyway, it looks like SIL took that as him being board and to cut a long story short, she told FIL she was pregnant about 3 months ago but told him not to tell anyone as it was such early days (her prerogative so that’s fine). Anyhow, it appears that is why FIL put his house up for sale and sold it quickly so the new house could be bought in time for the baby’s arrival. Bit strange really seeing as the baby generally stays with the parents in their room for a good 6 months or so, but that’s the story FIL gave. Stinks of manipulation to me but FIL is clearly happy with what’s happened and he does seem excited about the idea of being around for the new baby.

We asked him what would become of the Cabin if he passed away and he said that wasn’t his problem (with a smile) and said that SIL and her partner could do whatever they liked with it.

He hasn’t looked into anything legal as he didn’t think it was necessary. We did advise it (and gave examples from this thread as reasons why he should) but he told us we are worrying unnecessarily. So that’s his choice to make.

We asked him about the time scale of him staying here which was slightly awkward but he promised us again he would only be here for a few months. We said that was unlikely and explained why (all the issues raised in this thread) but he said things would be moving along quickly and if there are any delays he would move out and rent somewhere near us until the cabin is built. I asked why he wasn’t going to rent over there to make sure he liked the area, but he said he wanted to spend as much time as he could with us before he moved away.

So yes, he seems to be going into this with an awareness of all the ins and outs and is happy to go along with it all, so that’s that. It’s all his decision and if he doesn’t take legal advice then that too is his choice.

We have told him we won’t be taking the offered £25k but thanked him for his offer. As has been said on this thread, he’s probably going to need a back-up fund.

FIL left about an hour ago and me and DH are off to bed now with a film as we feel drained. I just wanted to update you as I’ve had so much help and advice from you all.”

I had a PM this morning from a poster who had wanted to respond to my post last night but realised the thread was full so answered privately instead.

Anyhow - I just wanted to start a second thread as I’m sure others have lots of further advice based on my FIL’s revelation, and also because I doubt this is the end of the matter.

Me and DH struggled to sleep last night but we see it’s a done deal now and due to the pregnancy we know FIL isn’t going to back out the deal so now it’s a case of trying to get him to protect himself as best as he can.

OP posts:
NeilBuchananisBanksy · 28/03/2021 18:56

Wow!!!! Hope you are ok. You've done the right thing.

MargosKaftan · 28/03/2021 19:00

Thats the best you can do.

Its not fair on you to have him move in and then disappear from your lives.

Hopefully legal advice will help.

Best case scenario would be to pull out of the sale.

giao · 28/03/2021 19:01

He doesn't have to move anywhere just yet if he actually pulls out of the house sale.

Fingers crossed for you OP.

Twoforthree · 28/03/2021 19:05

Saying no to him was the best way of future proofing your relationship. At least there is hope for it now. Moving in for months on end was sure to ruin it.

BronwenFrideswide · 28/03/2021 19:18

Please don't feel bad, I know it's easy for us to say. You are acting in the best interests of your FIL and your own family and that is NOT something to feel bad or guilty about.

jessycake · 28/03/2021 19:20

I think you have done him a favour , prolonged stress that you cannot control ,is not good for any of you , least of all your FIL

Zubla · 28/03/2021 19:23

Have been following and have to say you are a patient and kind person but am pleased you are not going to stretch the limits of your family by letting him come and stay. Your family unit needs looking after and FIL has many, many options including pulling out of premature house sale.

Hope you get some quiet time this evening
Take care

BRB2021 · 28/03/2021 19:26

I know you said it has gone downhill, but from your POV that is a good update surely?

  1. He isnt moving in (slobby, choccy days back on!)
  2. He is going to get legal advice
  3. SiL knows her plans are now known and people arent falling for her lies
Bluetrews25 · 28/03/2021 19:35

By saying 'no' you are no longer enabling SIL to swindle him out of a secure future.
That is to be admired.

Dasher789 · 28/03/2021 19:43

@BRB2021

I know you said it has gone downhill, but from your POV that is a good update surely?
  1. He isnt moving in (slobby, choccy days back on!)
  2. He is going to get legal advice
  3. SiL knows her plans are now known and people arent falling for her lies
Completely agree
Shellingbynight · 28/03/2021 19:44

I know you say it's gone downhill, and from a relationship perspective it must feel like that. But in terms of the situation itself, the latest developments are a good thing.

FIL has had a wake up call. He is no longer able to rely on staying with you (absolutely do NOT feel bad about this) and he is seeking legal advice. He may come to his senses and either pull out of his sale and stay put, or continue with the sale and buy himself a smaller property near SIL. Either option will be better for him than the current foolish plan. Hopefully the relationship with him can be repaired in time.

Welshywitch · 28/03/2021 19:51

Well done OP definitely the right thing to do, you shouldn't feel bad about it Flowers

ICouldHaveCheckedFirst · 28/03/2021 19:54

@Welshywitch

Well done OP definitely the right thing to do, you shouldn't feel bad about it Flowers
^ This.
MindGrapes · 28/03/2021 19:55

You'll look a lot less "unreasonable" disagreeing to 10 months rather than 3 (not that it's unreasonable to object).

Wherever the realisation/ discovery of the 10-months period came from, it's far more realistic than the ridiculous arbitrary 3 months floated before, so hopefully might force a few truths.

I love my mum but I wouldn't want her staying here for any number of months unless it was an emergency situation - i.e. not just because she felt like selling her house!

frumpety · 28/03/2021 20:00

This is such good news, three months was pushing it, even if he moved locally to you. I wonder if he has spoken to a colleague or friend and tried to explain how unreasonable you and your DH were being and they agreed with you and also suggested some legal advice.
What did SIL say ?

BenoneBeauty · 28/03/2021 20:03

I'm glad your DH said no - hopefully your FIL will pay heed to the legal advice and properly secure his own future ahead of your SIL.

LivingDeadGirlUK · 28/03/2021 20:04

Don't feel bad OP, I think you have done exactly the right thing. The whole 'cabin in the garden' plan stinks. Your FIL having sold his house could be moving to a new place by the sea, but instead there is an elaborate plan of a bigger house for SIL, a cabin in the garden, I think we all know it was never going to happen past the bigger house for SIL phase. Or worse it 'wouldn't work out' and FIL would be out on a limb with nothing.

Honestly I think you are being very patient, your FIL has now concealed information and lied to you several times, you say he is lovely but its really a disgusting way to treat someone you see and spend a lot of time with!

Kateguide · 28/03/2021 20:06

Thanks for the update OP. You have definitely done the right thing. I know relationships might strained short term but you need to think about the longer term security of your family and your FIL.

FIL going to seek legal advice is also extremely good news and SIL is on notice that she just can't just carry on willy nilly.

Did SIL say anything of note to DH? Just wondering what had happened to her promotion and how the 10 month time line can work with the pregnancy, mortgage application etc?

Lostinthemail · 28/03/2021 20:06

Don’t feel bad, he has enough money to spend the ten months in a hotel and still have plenty of money left!

Puzzledandpissedoff · 28/03/2021 20:18

By saying 'no' you are no longer enabling SIL to swindle him out of a secure future
That is to be admired

This ^^

Thank god your DH has seen sense; clearly your FIL's been using deceit and dripfeeding from the start, which really isn't pleasant, and while you might feel bad now it's nothing to how you'd have felt if this had gone ahead

Providing DH doesn't give in after being lied to again once FIL's had "legal advice", you've just saved everyone an awful lot of angst - FIL included

raincamepouringdown · 28/03/2021 20:18

Since SIL will be the one reaping the benefits and getting the bulk of his estate, surely she should be the one putting him up in the interim.

No?

Then it's only about the cash, isn't it. The rest will never happen.

NettleTea · 28/03/2021 20:34

oh dear, but also oh good.

this is madness and you are doing him a massive favour, even if he doesnt see it right now.

The legal advice, if he actually gets it will show him exactly what you have been saying all along.

but sorry its created a total shit storm for you and your DH, even though not one of your own making

DuckbilledSplatterPuff · 28/03/2021 20:40

I simply couldn't fathom your FIL's complete denial of the time line and getting legal advice. It now becomes clear, SIL told FIL to ask a smaller, difficult to refuse time at first, once you'd agreed to that to increase the time, probably more than once.
Don't feel shit about saying no to such unreasonable shenanigans. Firstly as others have said you are really protecting FIL but secondly you are quire rightly refusing to be complete mugs and preserving your own family life.
Your FIL's behaviour is disgraceful.

Everythingiswonderful · 28/03/2021 20:41

@ThornAmongstRoses

It’s all gone a bit downhill here. We had another talk with FIL this morning and it seems it’s now going to be a minimum of 10 months that’s he’s here. DH understandably exploded - phoned his sister, had another argument with her and I’m just drained by it.

The good news though is that FIL has finally agreed to go and get some legal advice.

I told him he needs to pull out of his house sale and put this whole ridiculous idea on hold. That didn’t go down well but hopefully a solicitor will make him see sense.

Why was it going to be 10 months minimum? What changed?
EggysMom · 28/03/2021 20:49

You shouldn't feel bad, OP. Staying with you longterm wouldn't work for anybody.

FIL still has plenty of options - he could rent local to you until SIL has got herself sorted; he could rent in Skegness close to SIL whilst she gets her ass in gear; he could buy a small property himself in Skegness and still help SIL with a bigger house if he's so inclined. The world has not ended for him, just one path to his desired future to be with and support his daughter.