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Inheritance issues - part 2. AKA: Is FIL being manipulated and ripped off?

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ThornAmongstRoses · 24/03/2021 06:43

This thread is for those who helped me on my previous thread about my FIL upping sticks, handing his a big chunk off his money over to his daughter to ultimately live in her garden. Sorry but I don’t know how to link to my previous thread.

The update from what happened last night when we confronted FIL with our concerns:

“And it turns out that SIL is 14 weeks pregnant.

Apparently when she and her partner first suggested the Cabin idea 6 months or so ago and FIL declined and said he was happy to buy somewhere so he wouldn’t be under their feet, she told him not to be silly as the arrangement would work out really well for all involved as she and her partner were hoping to have more children in the future but that they wouldn’t be able to unless they had a bigger house anyway. SIL then told him how much it would mean to her and how wonderful it would be for FIL to be around to watch new grandchildren be born and see them grow up, liked he’d been around when DB (my husband) had had his children. FIL then agreed that it would be really nice to be around for early days and from then onwards, and agreed it was something he would happy be to look into.

Anyway, it looks like SIL took that as him being board and to cut a long story short, she told FIL she was pregnant about 3 months ago but told him not to tell anyone as it was such early days (her prerogative so that’s fine). Anyhow, it appears that is why FIL put his house up for sale and sold it quickly so the new house could be bought in time for the baby’s arrival. Bit strange really seeing as the baby generally stays with the parents in their room for a good 6 months or so, but that’s the story FIL gave. Stinks of manipulation to me but FIL is clearly happy with what’s happened and he does seem excited about the idea of being around for the new baby.

We asked him what would become of the Cabin if he passed away and he said that wasn’t his problem (with a smile) and said that SIL and her partner could do whatever they liked with it.

He hasn’t looked into anything legal as he didn’t think it was necessary. We did advise it (and gave examples from this thread as reasons why he should) but he told us we are worrying unnecessarily. So that’s his choice to make.

We asked him about the time scale of him staying here which was slightly awkward but he promised us again he would only be here for a few months. We said that was unlikely and explained why (all the issues raised in this thread) but he said things would be moving along quickly and if there are any delays he would move out and rent somewhere near us until the cabin is built. I asked why he wasn’t going to rent over there to make sure he liked the area, but he said he wanted to spend as much time as he could with us before he moved away.

So yes, he seems to be going into this with an awareness of all the ins and outs and is happy to go along with it all, so that’s that. It’s all his decision and if he doesn’t take legal advice then that too is his choice.

We have told him we won’t be taking the offered £25k but thanked him for his offer. As has been said on this thread, he’s probably going to need a back-up fund.

FIL left about an hour ago and me and DH are off to bed now with a film as we feel drained. I just wanted to update you as I’ve had so much help and advice from you all.”

I had a PM this morning from a poster who had wanted to respond to my post last night but realised the thread was full so answered privately instead.

Anyhow - I just wanted to start a second thread as I’m sure others have lots of further advice based on my FIL’s revelation, and also because I doubt this is the end of the matter.

Me and DH struggled to sleep last night but we see it’s a done deal now and due to the pregnancy we know FIL isn’t going to back out the deal so now it’s a case of trying to get him to protect himself as best as he can.

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Rewis · 27/03/2021 11:59

Or if he has, I doubt he would go into the financial arrangements. Most likely talking about moving to the coast to be closer to his daughter and grandchildren.

raincamepouringdown · 27/03/2021 13:23

Don't let him stay with you.

Others are right: tell him to move up there now, rent a place near his daughter and help with the future house hunt. And he shouldn't release any money to them until he is happy with the house and grounds selection and knowledge about planning permission for the grounds.

Things may sour rather quickly ... his reception in the area by his SIL and her partner will be very telling.It will also give him the ability to realise he's made a mistake before giving them any money and he can decide to stay there, move back, or move elsewhere with his money intact.

He's 65, not 85. Tell him to go up there and see what it will really be like living near them without giving up his financial stability first. He'll know what he needs to know via a 6 month rental, no?

Miasicarisatia · 27/03/2021 13:37

OP seems to be mia (not surprising given the way her threads have exploded) I just hope we get to hear the outcome after all the work we have put in ....speculating, splitting hairs and generally over investing ourselves😳

MindGrapes · 27/03/2021 15:50

@Miasicarisatia

OP seems to be mia (not surprising given the way her threads have exploded) I just hope we get to hear the outcome after all the work we have put in ....speculating, splitting hairs and generally over investing ourselves😳
Oh come on, there have been nearly 1800 posts in total on this situation and the op was posting regularly up to yesterday. She doesn't need to post every half an hour and considering it's the same advice and comments on nearly every post there's not much really to "update" - doesn't sound like fil would suddenly just change his mind.
CombatBarbie · 27/03/2021 19:26

This is not going to end well at all.

Winter2020 · 27/03/2021 21:38

Looking at the houses in Skeggy it looks much more realistic to buy a semi detached with room for a side extension that to buy anything with room for a cabin and get (residential) permission for it. But I doubt sister in law and her partner want to have to share their house with FIL....

quizqueen · 27/03/2021 22:13

I reckon it could be up to 12 months before this wonderful cabin idea is completed. What if the daughter's house doesn't sell for ages or is in a chain which collapses multiple times and she won't want to move around the time of the baby's birth, will she?. He would have to go into rented anyway if you say he has to leave after 3 months, which you know you won't, so you are looking at a much longer timescale of him living with you and you know that too.

You need to convince your husband that this scheme of your FIL's is not going to work for any of you and put pressure on him to pull out of his own house sale asap otherwise he will have to use £10,000 of his profit on a rental in Skegness.

DuckbilledSplatterPuff · 28/03/2021 14:16

If FIL did have to use his housing profit on rental in Skeg, it’s a much greater incentive for him to decide to buy his own place when the cabin is no nearer to reality.
If he’s at OPs miles away, rent free, there is no incentive at all.
It’s difficult to be caught up in the idea of supporting relatives but OPs DH seems terrified at the thought of being called a bad son if he doesn’t completely comply with FILs harebrained scheme to improve rush himself
Who is most likely to say he is a bad son?
SIL - the benefactor of the hare brained scheme
All the lies Are just just a form of coercion.
OP and DH should stop worrying about how they will be perceived and do what they think is right for their own family first and then for FIL.
Just because him moving in is the only plan on the table doesn’t mean they Just have to accept it.

DuckbilledSplatterPuff · 28/03/2021 14:17

*impoverish himself -not improve rush. Soz

ThornAmongstRoses · 28/03/2021 17:14

It’s all gone a bit downhill here. We had another talk with FIL this morning and it seems it’s now going to be a minimum of 10 months that’s he’s here. DH understandably exploded - phoned his sister, had another argument with her and I’m just drained by it.

The good news though is that FIL has finally agreed to go and get some legal advice.

I told him he needs to pull out of his house sale and put this whole ridiculous idea on hold. That didn’t go down well but hopefully a solicitor will make him see sense.

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Nanny0gg · 28/03/2021 17:16

Well if he does get proper legal advice it might mean that it would at least make sense to rent somewhere for the time being which would take the pressure off you. Then he can think long and hard about the implications of the 'cabin'

GreenMeeple · 28/03/2021 17:18

Better this happened now than when he moved in with you and had no where to go.

Twoforthree · 28/03/2021 17:21

Has he accepted that he can't move in for a minimum of 10 months?

How did the realisation it would be minimum 10 months, come about?

The good news is that you are moving forward in his thinking, even if it is a bit traumatic.

mrstea301 · 28/03/2021 17:26

Oh dear! At least he has agreed to go and seek legal advice, hopefully they will clarify his thinking and it may be easier for him to accept from an unbiased third party. Ten months is far too long to have him stay in your house, particularly as there is no way it will actually be ten months. You and your husband sound very nice and you’re truly trying to keep his best interests at heart, but if you let him move in this could have a real detrimental impact on your marriage and on your children. Hopefully things will improve for you soon!

Mix56 · 28/03/2021 17:26

10 months, how has he suddenly discovered this ?
At least OH has spoken to his S,
DF just needs to buy or rent a flat in Skegness & see if he is happy, the difference is its bricks & mortar, & he can sell it if, he is unhappy, unwell, lonely, which he can't do in a chalet in her garden.
Surely anyone can see the logic.
because DS is planning to use the shed for air&b business & he gets moved into the box room for the summer months?

Charley50 · 28/03/2021 17:28

Well I think that's good news. You and DH have made it clear that you can't have him to stay for that long (if at all), he is going to get legal advice, and you have finally confirmed that his sale hasn't gone through. If he can't stay with you, hopefully he'll pull out.

diddl · 28/03/2021 17:30

"it seems it’s now going to be a minimum of 10 months that’s he’s here."

Says who???

Cheeky fucker!

Alsohuman · 28/03/2021 17:32

It’s excellent news. Hopefully he’ll not only seek legal advice but also discuss his plans with a trusted friend or two. Although you may not perceive this as progress @ThornAmongstRoses, it is. He is now completely clear that he’s not taking up residence in your home any time soon.

billy1966 · 28/03/2021 17:33

10 months...he's a real piece of work.

I feel so sorry for you both dealing with such a selfish liar.

I can cope with a lot but lying is just the worst.

I wouldn't believe a word out of his mouth nor would I trust him as far as I would throw him.

OP, whatever he decides to do, protect your children from this liar and the upset that he is happy to cause in your family.

You are in mushroom territory, completely in the dark and being fed bullshit.

Be very wary of him.
Flowers

LittleOwl153 · 28/03/2021 17:33

Don't let him move in. 10 months will result in your children being very attaches to him and leave your sanity and marriage in tatters!

cansu · 28/03/2021 17:35

I can't understand why your fil can't sell his house and buy another normal separate property close to the sil. It would cause much less stress and upset than this cabin plan.

ThornAmongstRoses · 28/03/2021 17:38

DH has told FIL that he can’t move in. We know it was the right decision to make but we both feel really shit about it.

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Easterbunnygettingready · 28/03/2021 17:43

10 months? Omg.. No friggin way op....

MyOtherProfile · 28/03/2021 17:48

Wow. That definitely was the right decision OP. Hope he sorts getting legal advice quickly.

Alsohuman · 28/03/2021 17:49

Don’t feel shit. He’ll thank you in the end.