To be a true feminism, I need to address my own misandry?

[FerrisWheelTrain]

For example - are terms like LTB sexist?

Ah I love these thread though. They always bring out these brilliant, articulate feminist responses and I genuinely find it really heartening. The NAMALT never rock up to these threads

To be a true feminist you need to embrace your misandry.

What is the actual point of the male sex? We have sperm banks now and you get special little attachments that can get the lids off jars.

They only ever take up resource - space, money, time, energy, and for what? What have they ever contributed to the world that a woman could not if she were not having to constantly deal with them and their petty shite.
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@WoolOfBat

What does feminism have to do with potential bullying of boys who don’t do performing masculinity?

And what does feminism have to do with mainly male protesters being violent towards police officers?

I see feminism as being beneficial to all, personally. We fight for women to be respected. A side effect is that boys will not be able to bully each other for being "girly," because being "girly" is respected.

Not the best phrasing to be fair, but as a teacher and a feminist, I think a key part of my feminism is about educating how females are awesome. This is good for everyone.

I'm not sure I'm expressing myself totally clearly. And my feminism might not be yours. That's OK though, right?

Why are you encouraging your dd to include a boy who is interfering in her friendships and being a pain in her online game?

You should revisit this. When she’s a teenager she won’t run her online friendships past you. It’s a bad idea to teach her to “be kind” all the time.

Meanwhile your DS is looking and learning - his views about females are being formed, and one of the things you are teaching him is that his sister should include boys who are pestering her.

Oh I get it now. Because us women think that all men are bastards, we have only ourselves to blame when they grow up to be just that.

Right.

@expectopelargonium

Oh I get it now. Because us women think that all men are bastards, we have only ourselves to blame when they grow up to be just that.

Right.

Ha ha, what's that Disney princessy quote? Something along the lines of, 'If you believe something enough and your heart is pure...'?

Cailleachian To be fair though, some of them are quite decorative

Well this is interesting, and I'm feeling inclusive, so thought I'd join the party

What are you thinking or feeling that you believe constitutes misandry?

Do you have have similar thoughts that are misogynistic?

Are these informed by experience, or innate?

I would love a society where boys can trip around in as many feather boas and pink sequins as they like without it being worthy of even the bat of an eyelid. Likewise, if girls want to wear what may be considered stereotypically male clothing / hairstyles. I would love to live in a society where people don't think that doing those things somehow defines biology. But hey ho, we're not there yet, and things look likely to get more confused as times go on, before, perhaps a happy medium can be achieved.

"Kill the bill" was meant to refer to a piece of parliamentary legislation that is highly contested at the moment due to restrictions on civil liberties, particularly around protests and increasing of police powers. It is unfortunate the same idiom "old bill" is a common term for the police themselves. I'd put money on the main culprits causing violence at a protest described by the police themselves as initially peaceful being professional agitators, and probably mostly male. happy to be proven wrong if it turns out it was rabid feminists demonstrating misandry.

And I agree with other posters saying that making your daughter include a playmate (no matter what sex) that she doesn't like, is rather playing in to stereotypes for girls that they must be kind and inclusive regardless of their own feelings. You're putting her at risk in situations where she might want to say no, but feels pressured t say yes in later life.

I'm 52 and it has only been in the last ten years after I left my particular B I have become assertive in any way because of my upbringing and education - all those wasted years, all those bad decisions that served me no good whatsoever. Teach your children boundaries, both of them, both ways - to respect their own and the boundaries of other people.

And never ever expect a girl to manage a boys behaviour - I still resent primary country dancing where I was always paired with a "troubled young man / aka a little sod" who made my life miserable, because I had to hold his hands in an iron grip to make him not disrupt the whole class, and if he did I was equally to blame.

So there ya go, OP, some thoughts

Hasn't there already been a thread about this exact topic a few weeks ago, including the words misandry, and specifically about LTB?

I think the Op of that thread was put right about it too (ie, no it's not misandry and LTB is not sexist - it applies equally to any advice about suggesting someone's partner, or either sex, sounds quite nasty/the relationship sounds unhealthy and is unlikely to change).

Oh dear op. You really don't seem to like your daughter very much.

@MistressoftheDarkSide I like you!! Brilliant.

My daughter is much like me, and I would say -in my relationship with DP, I am dominate. I call the shots. I’m proactive. I’m proud of who I am. In the conversation with DD and her male friend - male friend was begging her to listen, begging her to accommodate his viewpoint. I encouraged her to listen. So the overwhelming view here is that I should have encouraged her to LTB??

[quote FerrisWheelTrain]@MistressoftheDarkSide I like you!! Brilliant.[/quote]
So, are you still looking for advice on your children?

To not listen because he is a boy.

@Cailleachian

To be a true feminist you need to embrace your misandry.

What is the actual point of the male sex? We have sperm banks now and you get special little attachments that can get the lids off jars.

They only ever take up resource - space, money, time, energy, and for what? What have they ever contributed to the world that a woman could not if she were not having to constantly deal with them and their petty shite.
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They’re warm and cuddly and smell really good though >

@FerrisWheelTrain

My daughter is much like me, and I would say -in my relationship with DP, I am dominate. I call the shots. I’m proactive. I’m proud of who I am. In the conversation with DD and her male friend - male friend was begging her to listen, begging her to accommodate his viewpoint. I encouraged her to listen. So the overwhelming view here is that I should have encouraged her to LTB??

I honestly doubt anyone gives a shit.

Raise your kids however you like.

OP are you here for parenting advice, education about Feminism or to complain about the amount of women in Relationships board being told to LTB?

Your thoughts seem a bit....... muddled.

What are you trying to achieve from this thread OP?

I've read it start to finish and am utterly bewildered.

I'd call a horrible man a bastard and a horrible woman a bitch, online. (Not quite so likely to do it offline, for whatever reason, but the feeling is still there.)

Equal opportunity insulter of horrible people, whatever their sex. I don't see what the problem is with either term, tbh. Neither is "nice", but that's kind of the whole point of a insult.

As for whether or not you should advise your daughter to leave a man (boyfriend, partner, whatever), that depends entirely on the situation. If he's bad for her, of course you should help her see the truth and get away from him. If it's more of a minor disagreement with a man who is decent and loving, I'd try to help her work her way through it, if possible (though ultimately I'd support her, whatever her decision). I don't like to see relationships ended for no good reason, and I'd give the same advice and support to a son who was having relationship trouble.

It doesn't matter what "MN" would say. A certain portion of MN tends to be a bit flippant, it's true, but not just in matters of "LTB".

@lifeturnsonadime

What are you trying to achieve from this thread OP?

I've read it start to finish and am utterly bewildered.

Validation for their own weak parenting.

@Pumperthepumper I would actually assert that anyone who assumes a 10 year old boy is a misogynist - as incredibly weak parenting - and a travesty to society.

[quote FerrisWheelTrain]@Pumperthepumper I would actually assert that anyone who assumes a 10 year old boy is a misogynist - as incredibly weak parenting - and a travesty to society.[/quote]
This just makes as much sense as the rest of your posts. You raised him, if you’re worried he’s a misogynist that’s on you.

@Pumperthepumper more assumptions. I’m not talking about my DSx. I’m talking about your views on DD’s friend. Your automatic assumption that he must be a misogynist (at age 10!!), and that my DD is a poor, slight, defenceless female.

[quote FerrisWheelTrain]@Pumperthepumper more assumptions. I’m not talking about my DSx. I’m talking about your views on DD’s friend. Your automatic assumption that he must be a misogynist (at age 10!!), and that my DD is a poor, slight, defenceless female.[/quote]
The DD you’re worried you’ve raised as a misandrist?