To be a true feminism, I need to address my own misandry?

[FerrisWheelTrain]

For example - are terms like LTB sexist?

@ChazsBrilliantAttitude

ancientgran My favourite was my Action Man helicopter. I wonder how many girls get one of those these days.

Going by my 2 GDs not many, they would recoil in horror at the very suggestion. I am amazed at how brainwashed a 3 year old can be.

You are being ridiculous. Disingenuous and I suspect goady. Leave the bastard who raped you, hit you, cheated on you, uses coercive control etc is not sexist. But you know that.

@ancientgran bug hug to you, you DO sounds amazing xx DD loved dinosaurs and Thomas the Tank Engine when she was 3, and then went through a massive Disney princess stage. I didn’t dissuade her - I was just ‘aware’ - and movies like ‘Frozen’ do give a good message - some of the older Disney not so great. She’s a massive fan of tech/science now. I think it’s a case of going with their interests but never saying ‘you can’t have that because it’s for boys/girls’. With DS and DD if I sit and play with a toy, they come over and join in with me - and I’d never think ‘oh I won’t get that out because it’s a boy’s toy’ - or even give it that label. Think it’s a case of being aware of my own potential bias.

[quote FerrisWheelTrain]**@Pumperthepumper* I care that @blacksax* thinks that people won’t take their boys to ballet through fear of oppression. I think that’s an outdated view, and not commonplace anymore.[/quote]
And yet, you started a thread about your own misandry. So clearly it’s something you do do.

@Sexbasedrights I have not said that AT ALL. I’m saying I don’t like the term LTB anymore than DTB. OF COURSE women should stand up to abuse. I also don’t think there is anything wrong in suggesting that misandric views exist - particularly as it is in the forthcoming Parliamentary Bill

@Pumperthepumper I believe I do yes. Did I say that I didn’t?

[quote FerrisWheelTrain]**@Pumperthepumper* I care that @blacksax* thinks that people won’t take their boys to ballet through fear of oppression. I think that’s an outdated view, and not commonplace anymore.[/quote]
Yes, you did. Here’s your post to blacksaxs.

You never replied to my post about what men can do to help little boys, why not?

[quote FerrisWheelTrain]@Pumperthepumper I believe I do yes. Did I say that I didn’t?[/quote]
And actually, did you ever give us examples of your own misandry? Why do you hate men so much?

?What did I do? I suggested that we have - hopefully - progressed further than thinking ‘boys can’t do ballet’ and that I can’t of think of any male I know who would prevent me from taking a boy to a ballet class - as implied in the post. I think I have implicit bias towards gender - which I attempt to challenge e.g if a white van is driving aggressively behind me, I assume it’s a male driver - and may make a comment like ‘stupid man’.

@FerrisWheelTrain

?What did I do? I suggested that we have - hopefully - progressed further than thinking ‘boys can’t do ballet’ and that I can’t of think of any male I know who would prevent me from taking a boy to a ballet class - as implied in the post. I think I have implicit bias towards gender - which I attempt to challenge e.g if a white van is driving aggressively behind me, I assume it’s a male driver - and may make a comment like ‘stupid man’.

Is that why it’s such a big deal for you that your son does ballet? Do you feel like you’re using him to absolve yourself of this man-hating you feel so often?

@Pumperthepumper I didn’t bring up ballet - I was responding to someone else’s comment that I had in issue with. If he wants to do ballet, then I’d do it without fear of oppression is my point.
I don’t quite get what you are trying to say? That I’m a man hater?

Haven't read the 16 pages, but misandry isn't a thing. HTH.

@ArcheryAnnie
bills.parliament.uk/bills/2719
Why is it mentioned here then?

I haven't got past your first non argument. You said to my earlier response that LTB is generalised on MN and refers to all men
That is absolute bollocks. It is always used about a particular man, sometimes woman, that a poster is discussing
I have seen threads re dating where posters are encouraged to continue in a positive relationship
There isn't a stock answer and LTB is advisable if a poster is in an abusive relationship

[quote FerrisWheelTrain]@Pumperthepumper I didn’t bring up ballet - I was responding to someone else’s comment that I had in issue with. If he wants to do ballet, then I’d do it without fear of oppression is my point.
I don’t quite get what you are trying to say? That I’m a man hater?[/quote]
You are a man hater, it says so in your thread title.

[quote FerrisWheelTrain]@Sexbasedrights I have not said that AT ALL. I’m saying I don’t like the term LTB anymore than DTB. OF COURSE women should stand up to abuse. I also don’t think there is anything wrong in suggesting that misandric views exist - particularly as it is in the forthcoming Parliamentary Bill[/quote]
I wasn't aware that the new bill - are you talking about the new DV bill? - was considered man hating. Can you explain which parts of the bill are man hating or specifically against men?

I would be very interested in this. Thank you.

@TwoBreakingIntoOne I don’t like ‘non argument’ everyone has a say. Everyone.

If LTB has become a standardised acceptable answer is that ok? If men were using ‘ditch the bitch’ as a standardised acceptable response - is that ok? I personally don’t like it - and I’m allowed to challenge.

I think advise that is given on merit to a situation is very, very acceptable - but LTB/DTB as a standardised acronym is not right - and I’m allowed to have that view without being ridiculed.

You are allowed to have that view, I am allowed to ridicule it
Can you show where it has been used generally rather that about a particular circumstance?

@TwoBreakingIntoOne you can ridicule, but I’d prefer ‘challenge’.
It’s the assumption that a man is a bastard - anymore than I don’t like the assumption that a woman is a bitch. I know bastard can be applied to a female, and vice versa - but both are gender derogatory terms.

[quote FerrisWheelTrain]@TwoBreakingIntoOne you can ridicule, but I’d prefer ‘challenge’.
It’s the assumption that a man is a bastard - anymore than I don’t like the assumption that a woman is a bitch. I know bastard can be applied to a female, and vice versa - but both are gender derogatory terms.[/quote]
You haven't answered my question about the DV bill OP. I can only assume you are taking out of your hole.

You can't compare men and women when it comes to abusive names. As the abuser, James Brown crooned, it's a man's world. There are over 200 derogatory and demeaning names for women, there are a handful for men. A bastard is a person born out of wedlock and therefore applies to both sexes. The b word is a word often used against women and has been for a very long time. I hate it and don't use it.

I do think that there is an anti male bias on MN but that's all there is, it's not man hating in general. You're a man with a large chip on his shoulder. No woman would call a much needed domestic violence bill, man hating - unless there was something wrong with her.

Why don't you go on the plethora of woman hating sites, which solely exist is order to spread hate about women (and sometimes have members that murder women for no reason other than their sex) and rant at them about their woman hating language?

@greycloudysky I am absolutely, 100% female - and perhaps you DO need to question your own gender bias on your absolute resolute conviction that I am a man. So because their are less derogatory words for men, it’s acceptable to use them??
I’d argue that NONE of them are acceptable and I won’t use them.
Dictionary definition of bastard says it’s generally applied to a man - and it’s definitely been geared that way.

A bitch is a female dog, which - if you purely looking at it’s definition - is a beautiful thing. It’s the way it’s been applied in a horrible way over the years.

I don’t see myself as spreading hate about women. When did so say that? That’s deeply offensive. I care hugely about women’s issues, and want to live in a better society so my DD does feel safe and has excellent relationships with men and women. Which is why I won’t use the term ‘bastard’ around her.

Please could you repeat the question I didn’t answer?

[quote FerrisWheelTrain]@greycloudysky I am absolutely, 100% female - and perhaps you DO need to question your own gender bias on your absolute resolute conviction that I am a man. So because their are less derogatory words for men, it’s acceptable to use them??
I’d argue that NONE of them are acceptable and I won’t use them.
Dictionary definition of bastard says it’s generally applied to a man - and it’s definitely been geared that way.

A bitch is a female dog, which - if you purely looking at it’s definition - is a beautiful thing. It’s the way it’s been applied in a horrible way over the years.[/quote]
I can't imagine why on earth a woman would bother wasting her time arguing the toss about this. Seems ridiculous. What on earth do you have against the Domestic Abuse bill? Arguing about women advising other women to leave abusive men. I can't imagine why a woman is so anti women that she doesn't want them protected from abusers and sees that as man hating. There is something very wrong here.

Don't be disingenuous by saying calling women a BITCH is beautiful thing. A bitch is an animal. You're being silly and quite frankly this is a yawwwwn fest of ignorance.

Back up your arguments or bore off.

@FerrisWheelTrain

Please could you repeat the question I didn’t answer?

My question was: Where is the MAN HATE in the new domestic abuse bill? Where in the bill is misandrist?