To be a true feminism, I need to address my own misandry?

[FerrisWheelTrain]

For example - are terms like LTB sexist?

And?

Do you think that all the women posting here adhere to thsoe stereotypes? Or think that all men do?

Again, I'll ask, consider where you are posting. Think about why many women come here to ask questions, seek advice about their failing relationships. And take into consideration that only women who have issues post, we don't have m/any "Fuck, but my DH is Totes Pefecto" threads.

We discuss issues

[quote FerrisWheelTrain]@Pumperthepumper ok - I’ll say what I think, invite you to do the same?
My view that stereotypes exist about various groups within society. I think that these stereotypes may - sometimes - have foundation in truth e.g men, biologically are more muscular, tend to dominate certain professions (construction, front line army, police) due to their physical strength. They are also more prone to violent, physical aggression and we absolute need to stand up against this. However, the problem with stereotypes - and I apply this to all groups - is that if you adhere to them without question, you don’t allow society to progress. So we should challenge stereotypes. E.g. to combat male aggression, surely this starts in childhood - not assuming that boys/girls play in a particular way - or buying dolls for boys is as normal as buying trains for a girl. If we are - however - subtlety - assuming that a boy/man behaves that way ‘because he male’ we are just feeding the stereotype.[/quote]
And my opinion is - male violence is endemic in our society and it does nobody any favours to pretend otherwise. So in order to combat that, we have to look at the reasons men are killing women at the rate of two per week in the UK alone, and also why forces such as the police have such ingrained systemic misogyny that we can no longer trust them to protect us.

And the solution I propose is all men, all of them, every single man, Yes All Men, take a stand against male violence. Raise their sons better. Fall out with their friends. Refuse to visit strip clubs. Report colleagues to HR. Whistleblow.

[quote FerrisWheelTrain]@SorryAuntLydia I feel slightly chuffed that you think I’m worth a stalky advanced search!![/quote]
@FerrisWheelTrain
It’s not stalking, it’s haunting

Woooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

@CuriousaboutSamphire yes, and there are some truly awful situations here and I don’t want to diminish that at all - and the brilliant advice that is given. I want positive change, a better future - and all sectors within society to work better together.

How do you think we can effect that change?

@SorryAuntLydia do you think it WAS a ghost? It was WEIRD. I had a quiet chat with DP about it this weekend, apparently DD described the ghost at the time as wearing a dark blue suit. No one wears suits around here!

@CuriousaboutSamphire I don’t know! But I’m just about to get the dolls and tea set out for DS.

[quote FerrisWheelTrain]@SorryAuntLydia do you think it WAS a ghost? It was WEIRD. I had a quiet chat with DP about it this weekend, apparently DD described the ghost at the time as wearing a dark blue suit. No one wears suits around here![/quote]
Yep I totally think it was a spirit of some sort.

@CuriousaboutSamphire he’s brushing the dolls hair, giving her a carrot and singing twinkle, twinkle to her! V cute.

@SorryAuntLydia really? Gin?

[quote FerrisWheelTrain]@TheJerkStore the current protests against the police.[/quote]
But that isn't women as a group oppressing/attacking men as a group.

@TheJerkStore no - it’s more about the assumptions made about the police, what’s productive - and what’s counter-productive. As I said earlier - I don’t current events to impact recruitment and retention which would result in our streets being less safe

[quote FerrisWheelTrain]@TheJerkStore no - it’s more about the assumptions made about the police, what’s productive - and what’s counter-productive. As I said earlier - I don’t current events to impact recruitment and retention which would result in our streets being less safe[/quote]
I wrote out some practical steps to make men less violent above.

[quote FerrisWheelTrain]@ArmchairTraveller nah - term used on mumsnet, 99% of time applies to a man![/quote]
Is that surprising when 99% of the users are women talking about problems in their own heterosexual relationships? There are plenty of posts about friendship with "she sounds like a bitch" as replies.

Some questions.

-Are you a man?

Actually, that's the only question.

[quote FerrisWheelTrain]@TheJerkStore no - it’s more about the assumptions made about the police, what’s productive - and what’s counter-productive. As I said earlier - I don’t current events to impact recruitment and retention which would result in our streets being less safe[/quote]
This is a separate issue. It isn't misandry as you're suggesting .....

@FuckingFabulous

Some questions.

-Are you a man?

Actually, that's the only question.

@FuckingFabulous No you are missing so many of the questions (great name)

@FerrisWheelTrain
Are you a ghost? Knock twice for yes
Do you have chains that you rattle?
Why is the suit blue?
Are all ghosts evil? Or is that ghost-andry?
Should I LTG?

Just so you know, I didn't know what LTB meant, so I asked the Internet. Apparently it means "Lick the balls" and is similar to saying "speak to the hand". Perhaps acronyms are dangerous, someone out there probably thinks it means "Lick the bitch"!

Blimey op you're jumping about all over the place eith a lot of unconnected assumptions that you're trying to lump under the heading of misandry. You're not really offering a cohesive topic to debate. You're just throwing lots of random stuff in the bowl and labelling it and then expecting everyone to agree. It's baffling

Did you mean to type that you need to address your own internalised misogyny? Because your posts talk about wanting to ensure your children centre males.

If it wasn't a typo and you're concerned that you're teaching them to be "misandrists" and centre women and girls, I'd say you have no worries there. You're modelling misogyny to them very well

And it still isn't a real word.

[quote FerrisWheelTrain]@CuriousaboutSamphire he’s brushing the dolls hair, giving her a carrot and singing twinkle, twinkle to her! V cute.[/quote]
He's not wearing a badge by any chance?

[quote FerrisWheelTrain]@MistressoftheDarkSide I do feel pretty proud of how she is right now - she doesn’t mAke assumptions based on race/gender etc - and I want her to value/build good relationships with everyone in her life. Her Dad is a fantastic male role model.[/quote]
You want to make her feel responsible for building a good relationship with everyone in her life?

Including the people who are horrible to her? You want her to believe that she has to continue friendships or relationships with nasty people, even if she doesn't want to? You want to make her think that she has to somehow 'fix' these relationships, so that when the other person continues to be horrible, she believes that it must be her fault, and she hasn't tried hard enough?

Strewth.

[quote FerrisWheelTrain]@Pumperthepumper ok - I’ll say what I think, invite you to do the same?
My view that stereotypes exist about various groups within society. I think that these stereotypes may - sometimes - have foundation in truth e.g men, biologically are more muscular, tend to dominate certain professions (construction, front line army, police) due to their physical strength. They are also more prone to violent, physical aggression and we absolute need to stand up against this. However, the problem with stereotypes - and I apply this to all groups - is that if you adhere to them without question, you don’t allow society to progress. So we should challenge stereotypes. E.g. to combat male aggression, surely this starts in childhood - not assuming that boys/girls play in a particular way - or buying dolls for boys is as normal as buying trains for a girl. If we are - however - subtlety - assuming that a boy/man behaves that way ‘because he male’ we are just feeding the stereotype.[/quote]
It's not women who say: "Ballet? No son of mine is going to do ballet." It's not girls who mercilessly bully boys who do ballet, or wear pink, or like lunchboxes with My Little Pony on them.

It's not women who are the role models that boys and adolescent males look up to. It's not women they listen to, when male attitudes towards females are being discussed over a few pints.

it's not women who encourage violent, physical aggression in males.

So why do you believe that it is women who are feeding the stereotype and that we need to change our attitude?