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SiL wants to live with us 2 months a year

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ploomo · 19/03/2021 10:26

Sorry this is so long, there's quite a lot of detail required to avoid drip-feeding.

My DH's sister is 55, my DH is 59. She worked for the police in an administrative capacity for many years and was early-retired/ made redundant (she's never told us which) at 50. She married young and had a child, but they split up by the time she was 30 and she's been on her own since then. Her son moved to Ireland years ago and has a family there. After leaving the police service she was diagnosed as being high-functioning ASD, which didn't come as a huge surprise to anyone.

When she received her redundancy/ retirement money she sold the house she'd lived in for years and bought a beautiful-looking 'lodge' on a holiday park site. It has a really stunning sea view. We could see the attraction, but not as a main home. We, and everyone else who was aware of her plan, pointed out that she wasn't allowed to live there all year round and has to vacate in January and February each year. We also pointed out that the contract stipulated that after 20 years she'd need to replace the lodge with another. The site fees add up to nearly £6000 a year and she had another decade to go before her state pension kicked in. She said she'd had years of work and compromise and for once she wanted to treat herself to something special. She said she'd done a deal with the site owner and he'd allow her to live there all year round, despite the regulations.

She moved in and it was heaven for a while but within a few months she'd fallen out with the site owner and also with several other lodge owners who'd come down at the weekends with their children who ran around and made noise. That first year she came to stay with us for new year and didn't go home till early March. DH and I both work and we're not hard-up so we just gritted our teeth and coped. DH made it clear that she needed to make alternative arrangements for the next year.

The next year she went to Australia for two months and had the holiday of a lifetime. The year after that she stayed with her son and his family in Ireland for a month and then in Air BnBs in southern Spain. The cost of all this was clearly getting out of hand and last summer she decided she needed a long-term solution and decided to buy a camper van to live in over the winter. She's spent nearly £60,000 on a brand new bespoke VW camper van done out to her own design. It's been resprayed her favourite colour, it's got leather seats in her favourite colour, the worktops are her favourite colour — but it's tiny and she needs to have an electricity supply so that she can use the microwave and the heater.

In late December she packed the stuff she'd need to get through the winter and went off in the van to park up in the yard of a friend who owns a farm. We're not sure what happened, but after a fortnight she left there and has been staying in the van outside various peoples' houses. She came to us during the cold spell in February and we ran an electric cable out to the van so she could have the heater on in it 24/7. She came in to use our loo and bathroom and washing machine each day and ended up just living with us during the day and sleeping in the van at night. It's as if Covid regulations don't exist for her. At the end of February the site owner contacted everyone who owns a lodge to say that because of Covid the site wouldn't be open until after Easter, so it looks as if she'll be around for another few weeks.

A couple of days ago she came up with a new solution to the problem. She wants us to convert our garage into a studio flat so that she can come and live here in the winter, and so that she has a fall-back in a few years if she can't afford to keep the lodge. My DH talked to her and we suspect she's blown all the money she got from the sale of the house and her savings and is now struggling.

I say she needs to get a job and work until her state pension kicks in but she won't hear that. Nor will she think of selling the camper van. We've suggested she rents out her lodge for £1000 a week from Easter to September and lives in the van and she assumed we were joking. She doesn't have visitors, it's her private paradise, she'd never dream of renting it out and she'd very offended we'd suggest it.

I realise there's nothing we can do. She's made her decisions and has to live with them. What I'd like to hear are the experiences of others with family members who live in static homes or similar situations, and those with experience of relatives who anticipate that they'll be looked after by family. Where do you draw the boundaries? My DH is worried sick about her. I think there's a strong likelihood that he'll start preparing to convert the garage and utility into a studio flat for her and I can see her ending up living with us permanently, which isn't something either of us want!

OP posts:
Wearethechampionsmyfriend · 20/03/2021 18:03

Repeat to her what she said to you. You don't like visitors and your house is your private paradise.

justasking111 · 20/03/2021 18:07

If she's always been frugal but has recently lost her capability to budget I would be concerned that setting aside her other issues something else is going on mentally.

hedgehoginthebag · 20/03/2021 18:09

She needs to sell the van and get a job. Selling the lodge might not be so easy but she might fall lucky. You can buy ok houses in parts of Wales for less than £50k check out Ammanford or Abertillery. Wales is an amazing place to explore and I met friends for life whilst living there.

MeanderingGently · 20/03/2021 18:10

Say no. She chose all this and blew her money, she has to find solutions which don't involve other people. It isn't as if she doesn't have somewhere to rent out for an income, she can sell the van and rent for 2 months of the year, she can get a job.

I say that as someone who is doing part-time work until my pension kicks in and who has found an unusual solution to cheaper housing myself, I didn't expect anyone else to bail me out....

BiscoffAnythingIsTheWayForward · 20/03/2021 18:13

Very simply you need to be as blunt with her as she is with you. ‘No - that doesn’t work for us. These are possible options XYZ but we don’t want to convert our garage. We can help you to find or do x,y or z but it’s entirely your choice which you do or decide on something different.’

Keep repeating. She will be ok and always have your support. You can’t sacrifice your happiness for her when she is capable of making decisions and is just opting for what she possibly sees as the obvious solution. It’s not for you! She has to learn there are boundaries. Keep it black and white. (I’ve worked with adults with ASD and LD’s and my son is autistic).

numberoneson · 20/03/2021 18:14

Tell her to get on the council waiting list, a housing association waiting list, or get another job but that she is NOT, repeat, NOT welcome to stay with you and your DH. She may indeed be on the autistic spectrum: that doesn't make her incapable of looking after her own needs, as her time working with the police proved. I would hazard a bet that if you & your DH allow her to hang around living with you, never mind the folly and expense of turning your garage into housing for her, your marriage will suffer and possibly even break down as the resentment on your side and stress on both of you, build up.

Supermum29 · 20/03/2021 18:15

Could she not look at a different site? Her site fees sound high and some sites only close for 2 weeks of the year instead of two months! Either way it isn’t your issue she’s a grown woman who unfortunately spent her money frivolously and now has to make some sacrifices to compensate!

StopAtTheRedLight · 20/03/2021 18:33

Ffs. I am in my 50s and starting a business. She can work. And if she becomes anyone’s problem let her be her son’s problem

willibald · 20/03/2021 18:34

@StopAtTheRedLight

Ffs. I am in my 50s and starting a business. She can work. And if she becomes anyone’s problem let her be her son’s problem
Why do you think he stays in another country?
Maddy456 · 20/03/2021 18:45

Say no. You can’t let her dictate your family’s life

angela99999 · 20/03/2021 19:07

No. Just no. Say it as many times as you need to say it to get her to understand.

Commonwasher · 20/03/2021 19:36

Not read the whole thread. But OMG, you need to convert your garage because she doesn’t plan properly?! She needs to rent her campervan out for people to use as a holiday vehicle. Then she can save money whilst living in her private paradise by the sea and fund her 2 month sojurn in the winter.

Your house is your private paradise — why would you want a long term lodger even if they are family?

I’m sure your DH wants to help his sister, but you don’t need to house her full time — helping her out is more like suggesting ways she can live realistically within her means, not bailing her out when her fantasy life is less than perfect.

thelegohooverer · 20/03/2021 19:40

I think that you should start from the premise that you will end up supporting her in the long term and figure out what you, and your marriage, can tolerate in that regard. At least that way, you’re working towards a long term plan that you can handle, if it comes to it.

When you discuss this with your dh, it’s important to factor into any long term plans, that you could end up surviving him, and to think through the full implications of anything you commit to now.

Even the fact that she falls out with people may be very much a part of her asd profile. It’s terribly easy to see her a classic MN CF if you ignore the diagnosis. I’ve no idea what support services you might be able to access (and I wish I had faith that they even exist for her).

I think, the best way to deal with this is accept that it is going to impact you and then try to plan to get ahead of it, so you can steer her.

And yes, I know that’s completely fruitless advice. I wish I had more to offer.

Bravesoul · 20/03/2021 19:42

Many families have their members who are less able to be independent for what ever reason. Families have the choice though whether to support them or leave them to end up among the many thousands who are on the streets. She is irresponsible but what are you to do? You do have a choice but are you willing to live with the consequences either way?

GrumpyMiddleAgedWoman · 20/03/2021 19:47

If she sold her lodge and her van would she have enough to buy a flat in range where you could keep an eye on her? It does sound as if she needs that.

But as for having her living with you - that would be a nope from me.

This scenario where someone buys a lodge and then struggles cope with the reality of a 2-month closure is not unique. We have friends who have relatives who have done this, who try and sponge off them for two months a year.

1980tastic · 20/03/2021 19:57

Op you aren't being unreasonable in saying no. But what strikes me about your post is how much problem solving you and your husband are doing. Stop it.

It's not your problem. You might make helpful suggestions if you feel it's worth the effort, but she's not old. She has access to money. She can work.

But I'm struggling to see how you've got yourself so involved with her life problems that you think you need to defend your (perfectly normal) boundaries.

You need to step back. And from what I can see, your biggest problem is actually your DH.

He needs to let his sister solve her own problems, which sound entire of her own making - and if that involves her failing, that might be a lesson she needs.

I worry that you're going to be bullied here into stepping in to fix this.

Solving her problem should not come at massive personal sacrifice to you. And if your DH won't see that, ask him what most women would do in this situation. (As a hint, I'd leave. I couldn't stand my own husband's sibling moving in, I didn't sign up to that commitment when we married and he wouldn't keep bailing out my relatives. Yours needs a reality check.)

Cantstopeatingchocolate · 20/03/2021 20:18

She won't be drawing a pension from the police if she was civilian staff. The 30 year service is for officers only. Civilian staff are capable of working longer and don't pay the high pension contributions that officers do.
I don't think civilian staff would get early retirement due to ill health even if that was an option for her which it doesn't sound like it.
What she is spending and living on is her house sale and savings. The change in spending would worry me a bit but is probably been triggered by whatever happened for her to leave her police job.

My question is, would you be this worried about her IF she hadn't just been diagnosed with ASD? She was a bit strange before but would you feel the need to step in IF she wasn't on the spectrum??
She managed a home and a child and a job for 20 years on her own, her recent behaviour is a bit off but in those 20 years did you have concerns that made you want to step in.
If not then set boundaries and be there if she needs you.

makingmammaries · 20/03/2021 20:40

I am in my 50s and tired of working. Can I come and live at yours, OP?

0gfhty · 20/03/2021 21:38

Get her on the LHA housing list. In my area that includes housing associations too. Properties often come up that only single adults can bid for on choice based lettings system so she might have a good chance of getting one fairly quickly. Some of these properties may also provide some help and support she has a diagnosis, she will most likely need more as she gets older.

MargosKaftan · 20/03/2021 21:48

A big kindness to your SIL is not just to let her solve her own problems, but to be clear about what the problems are if she can't pick up the social cues.

You don't want her to live with you, and view her parked on your drive as living with you, even if she sleeps in the campervan. She needs to find a solution to not being able to stay all year round at the lodge that doesn't include your house.

It is actually a kindness to spell this out clearly, rather than hoping she'll realise she's being unreasonable.

Be clear about what the limits are. If she still can't sort out a solution when she knows what the problems are, then you can look at stepping in. But first give her a chance to sort it, knowing clearly what she has to do.

Boysgrownbutstillathome · 20/03/2021 22:06

@BrumBoo

No, she absolutely shouldn't expect you to essentially house her.

However, she is in a vulnerable if she's been diagnosed with autism, and the older she gets the more vulnerable she will become. There's no such thing as 'high functioning autism' in reality, and her disaster with finances could well be part of her condition. In this sense she really does need help and support rather be told she's an 'adult who needs to get on with it'. Could she possibly be referred to a support worker or ask social services which agency would be most appropriate before she finds herself destitute?

I'm so glad you said this, she definitely needs help and support.
Mamanyt · 20/03/2021 22:13

As difficult as it is to do this with families, your DH needs to have a very frank, definitive talk with his DS about made beds and lying in them after.

That said, I'm a little afraid that you are right, and DH is already thinking about the conversion...which will probably be done on your dime, to put you in a position that neither of you wants or is comfortable with. You need to be very clear with DH that this is a "Make or Break" thing on your part. If he allows and enables this, you will leave. AND FOLLOW THROUGH! I know, I know...but I'll put a bet down right now that if she moves in, your marriage will collapse under the pressure of it within 5 years, anyway!

Bravesoul · 20/03/2021 22:56

I cannot believe people are telling you to leave your husband if he wants to support his sister. It is ok for you to say you do not think this will be good for your and your relationship there are always other solutions. He is not choosing her over you he is just trying to work out a solution. Work on a solution together with honesty and you will sort it out. Best of luck. I hope your SIL finds a solution that you all can live with.

Jux · 21/03/2021 00:09

I have two versions of this in my life. My SIL has bought a park home after selling her London flat, but at least she bought one in a park which is licensed for year-round occupation but she's just sold it and bought another on a different park where the situation seems a little fluid.....

Secondly, my brother was living in London (renting), was made redundant and came to live with us. I had thought this was a temporary measure while he got himself together, finished a project he'd been working on for some years (and was going to fund his retirement but actually it didn't); he's been here for over 10 years. I'm not sure how I stand it, I do really hate it now. I have no idea what's going to happen when we downsize, which we should have done 4 or 5 years ago but I've been havering so I don't have to face the Brother Problem. I think he thinks we'll buy a place big enough for him, but we shan't. I think dh has put up with enough - they don't really get on, though we are all generally amiable from day to day but there are deep waters stirring below the surface.

Latimer96 · 21/03/2021 01:21

There are sites open all year round she can the her can to . Give her a list.

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