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SiL wants to live with us 2 months a year

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ploomo · 19/03/2021 10:26

Sorry this is so long, there's quite a lot of detail required to avoid drip-feeding.

My DH's sister is 55, my DH is 59. She worked for the police in an administrative capacity for many years and was early-retired/ made redundant (she's never told us which) at 50. She married young and had a child, but they split up by the time she was 30 and she's been on her own since then. Her son moved to Ireland years ago and has a family there. After leaving the police service she was diagnosed as being high-functioning ASD, which didn't come as a huge surprise to anyone.

When she received her redundancy/ retirement money she sold the house she'd lived in for years and bought a beautiful-looking 'lodge' on a holiday park site. It has a really stunning sea view. We could see the attraction, but not as a main home. We, and everyone else who was aware of her plan, pointed out that she wasn't allowed to live there all year round and has to vacate in January and February each year. We also pointed out that the contract stipulated that after 20 years she'd need to replace the lodge with another. The site fees add up to nearly £6000 a year and she had another decade to go before her state pension kicked in. She said she'd had years of work and compromise and for once she wanted to treat herself to something special. She said she'd done a deal with the site owner and he'd allow her to live there all year round, despite the regulations.

She moved in and it was heaven for a while but within a few months she'd fallen out with the site owner and also with several other lodge owners who'd come down at the weekends with their children who ran around and made noise. That first year she came to stay with us for new year and didn't go home till early March. DH and I both work and we're not hard-up so we just gritted our teeth and coped. DH made it clear that she needed to make alternative arrangements for the next year.

The next year she went to Australia for two months and had the holiday of a lifetime. The year after that she stayed with her son and his family in Ireland for a month and then in Air BnBs in southern Spain. The cost of all this was clearly getting out of hand and last summer she decided she needed a long-term solution and decided to buy a camper van to live in over the winter. She's spent nearly £60,000 on a brand new bespoke VW camper van done out to her own design. It's been resprayed her favourite colour, it's got leather seats in her favourite colour, the worktops are her favourite colour — but it's tiny and she needs to have an electricity supply so that she can use the microwave and the heater.

In late December she packed the stuff she'd need to get through the winter and went off in the van to park up in the yard of a friend who owns a farm. We're not sure what happened, but after a fortnight she left there and has been staying in the van outside various peoples' houses. She came to us during the cold spell in February and we ran an electric cable out to the van so she could have the heater on in it 24/7. She came in to use our loo and bathroom and washing machine each day and ended up just living with us during the day and sleeping in the van at night. It's as if Covid regulations don't exist for her. At the end of February the site owner contacted everyone who owns a lodge to say that because of Covid the site wouldn't be open until after Easter, so it looks as if she'll be around for another few weeks.

A couple of days ago she came up with a new solution to the problem. She wants us to convert our garage into a studio flat so that she can come and live here in the winter, and so that she has a fall-back in a few years if she can't afford to keep the lodge. My DH talked to her and we suspect she's blown all the money she got from the sale of the house and her savings and is now struggling.

I say she needs to get a job and work until her state pension kicks in but she won't hear that. Nor will she think of selling the camper van. We've suggested she rents out her lodge for £1000 a week from Easter to September and lives in the van and she assumed we were joking. She doesn't have visitors, it's her private paradise, she'd never dream of renting it out and she'd very offended we'd suggest it.

I realise there's nothing we can do. She's made her decisions and has to live with them. What I'd like to hear are the experiences of others with family members who live in static homes or similar situations, and those with experience of relatives who anticipate that they'll be looked after by family. Where do you draw the boundaries? My DH is worried sick about her. I think there's a strong likelihood that he'll start preparing to convert the garage and utility into a studio flat for her and I can see her ending up living with us permanently, which isn't something either of us want!

OP posts:
Washimal · 19/03/2021 19:16

I'm hoping that she'll be able to think what we've said through and come up with her own solution.

OP, I work with young people with ASD and their Parents, many of whom are also on the spectrum, and I really think this is wishful thinking. You say "she won't end up living in our garage" but have you actually told her that? I don't mean dropping hints or being non committal when she brings it up, or talking about why it might be difficult. I mean have you actually told her in very clear terms it's not going to happen? Because otherwise she is unlikely to be able to move on from that idea once she has decided it's the solution to her problems. She's already living with you and if that arrangement suits her then it won't occur to her that it can't continue indefinitely unless she's very clearly told, because she's not seeing this from any perspective other than her own. Not because she's being a CF, or a 'user' or any of the other horrible things said about her on this thread by some posters, but because of her ASD. That's why waiting for her to come around in her own time isn't going to work. The longer she is living with you the harder it will be to contemplate things changing.

I really think the kindest thing to do here is to be very clear, honest and straightforward with her that living with you isn't an option, then support her to decide on and put into practice and alternative.

Spaceprincess · 19/03/2021 19:26

All she is entitled to from SS is a care assessment. I would be extremely surprised it she got any support.
What would a support worker do? They aren't able to stop people with capacity spending money as they choose, even if it's unwise.
I have an adult son with ASD and he too expects everyone to put themselves out for him endlessly, and would also burn through any money he has.
Like other people say, just say no. She will be with you forever.

Stratfordplace · 19/03/2021 20:05

She could probably sell the camper van for about £35 to £40k. Sure that’s much less than she paid but if there was VAT paid you lose that immediately. Even £30k would give her £3k a year for 19 years until she receives her pension. Enough to pay for accommodation every Jan/Feb. She has options, she is choosing not to help herself.

Stratfordplace · 19/03/2021 20:05

10 years, no 19

HeadLikeAFuckinOrange · 19/03/2021 20:14

@Washimal brilliant post.

willibald · 19/03/2021 20:46

Please listen to Wishimal. You have to be very clear here, if you do not want this to be your life. You cannot hint or hope. One thing at a time. 'No, this won't happen.'

She won't be happy, and you NEED to prepare yourselves for this.

But no one will with her plan.

GreenlandTheMovie · 19/03/2021 20:49

Left to sort herself out, I'm sure she would quickly sell the lodge and possibly also trade in the camper van for an actual home she can live in.

Theres so much available in the UK for £50,000 or less. A random search found the following, but theres plenty of choice outwith the main commuter areas and she might even find that a cottage is within her budget.

www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/96911930#/

www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/102449126#/

www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/86727361#/

www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/78669141#/

www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/103475438#/

www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/71012448#/

MrsClatterbuck · 19/03/2021 21:03

She should be able to lift her police pension now. A friend retired from the police at 50 lifting his pension.
I think its due to the nature of the job. New contracts may not allow this. She will have the option of taking up to a 25% tax free lump sum. Her state pension will not kick in until she is 67 or maybe 68.

Ohdobequiet · 19/03/2021 23:35

Sounds really difficult op.

maynardgkrebs · 20/03/2021 00:00

It is nice that her brother wants to help her, but his help would be best in helping her formulate a plan that doesn't crush his and his wife's lives for the next forty years.

It is worrying that she has put herself in this position at this age, without any employment or income. But in my area, women over 50 are the highest number of homeless people. They are homeless, not because they made mad decisions, selling their homes to 'live their best lives', as you've said, but because they had to flee abusive marriages. They are living on government support. They have been unable to find a rental spot on their low income, or have lost their rented accommodation as they haven't enough money to pay the rent and eat.

Many of these women are deeply vulnerable. Many have major depression, and clinical anxiety, and PTSD. Most of them are traumatised, in one way or another. Some are battling lifelong drug and alcohol addictions. And if they are lucky, they are able to rent a scungy caravan in a caravan park, that some time later chucks them out to sell the lot for redevelopment. Many of these women now live in their cars. Meanwhile, public housing has a decade plus waiting list here.

Your sister, whatever her vulnerabilities with her high-functioning ASD diagnosis, has options.

I'm hoping that she'll be able to think what we've said through and come up with her own solution.

This is not an option. Her previous thinking has proved problematic in that it got her in this position of selling a secure house and buying impractical, expensive, insecure alternatives, that rely on others homing her for extended periods annually.

3CCC · 20/03/2021 00:10

Been there done that - too outing to explain properly

It does not end well

Op do not agree to this

Serin · 20/03/2021 00:13

£6k a year service charge is extortionate.

I agree with Washimal you are going to have to be brutally honest with her. Explain that, just as she values her privacy and sanctuary, so you do the same. You need to tell her that she cant live with you, that it just won't work for you as you need your own space.

HappyWinter · 20/03/2021 08:58

It's great that your husband wants to help her, but please don't let her live with you. It will be such a strain on your marriage and could risk destroying it. She isn't going to be an easy person to live with. Please take the PPs advice from those who have family members with ASD who are saying that you need to be blunt, support them but also have very strict boundaries. Tell your husband in no uncertain terms that she can't live with you, and then tell her the same, but that you will help her get some advice to find a solution. She will need to face up to facts and sell the lodge or camper van, she can't decide she wants to retire early and expect you to pick up the pieces. A retirement flat would be a good solution.

Stratfordplace · 20/03/2021 09:23

The £6k annual service charge could possibly include utilities and other amenities. Many lodge homes and sites are also required to pay council tax. Same bills apply as with a permanent home.

ploomo · 20/03/2021 10:50

Again, thanks to those who have experience of people with autism and have been able to offer useful insights.

I want to reassure all those catastrophising on my behalf that I'm not going to let my rather strange and sad and vulnerable SiL ruin my life.

As others have already commented, the lack of understanding of ASD, and the lack of empathy for those with it and those supporting those living with it, has come as a shock.

OP posts:
NeedaLittleNap · 20/03/2021 12:28

Thanks OP. I think with the right knowledge, your husband can help his sister tremendously without having her move in or take over your lives. It does need that different way of working, but that can be learned. A phrase that crops up a lot in dealing with kids with behavioural challenges is "children do well where they can". Of course dealing adult to adult is not the same as parent to child. However I find it really helpful to frame problems as a skills gap rather than .
Maybe think of it that she perhaps has been heavily masking all her life and now the wheels have come off a bit as it's just a bit beyond her. A late-in-life diagnosis doesn't come about by accident, it often stems from the person's coping mechanisms no longer being sufficient for the circumstances. That means something has to change and they are likely to need help to make that change. But it doesn't mean the person can't go on to live a fabulous, independent life once they are set up in more manageable, autism friendly circumstances.

HappyWinter · 20/03/2021 12:45

I have a friend in a similar position with a vulnerable sibling of her OH. She really doesn't want the sibling living with them in the future as she knows she end up being a carer as her OH works very long hours and the bulk of the childcare and housework currently falls to her. But her OH has bought a large house that is big enough for the sibling too, with the thought of them moving in later on. I'm not sure she has stated her point of view clearly enough, I do worry about her and that's why I suggested you make sure you are clear on your boundaries, apologies if I was too blunt! I'm glad you have a plan, and it's definitely a good idea to get advice from families of adults with ASD.

willibald · 20/03/2021 12:48

I'd advise your friend to leave her 'OH', particularly if she's not married to him.

Mulhollandmagoo · 20/03/2021 13:06

Could you sit down with her and help her comb through her finances and come up with a sensible solution that works for everyone? She's probably very overwhelmed and can't get things in order in her mind (when that happens to me I sort of just shut off and can't make decisions or choices - OCD sufferer here) maybe break it down into smaller, more manageable solutions.

Also, even though she has ASD, it still doesn't mean she is devoid of any consequences, with some support and a clear plan she will be fine - even if it means selling either the campervan or the lodge, of course she won't want to, but you don't want her to live with you, so your SIL needs to reach a compromise

Biker47 · 20/03/2021 15:39

Fuck. No.

ginghamstarfish · 20/03/2021 17:32

Possibly, if she were to pay conversion costs, be completely self contained and pay you rent/utilities ... on the strict understanding that your home is private (as would be hers) so no waltzing in and out. She sounds quite impulsive and irresponsible, how do you get to that age and be so daft?

dodiebantock · 20/03/2021 17:45

Your SIL will be using you as Plan B when her current lifestyle ends. You are her fall back when it ends in disaster, which we all know it will sooner or later.

You could be lumbered with her for the rest of her life. What happens if she became ill or infirm in future years you would end up as her carers. She has obviously not made any contingency plans relying on you and her brother to bail her out.

Rather a very unpleasant few minutes now than finding yourself in a very difficult position. If she came to you, even temporarily (and we all know where that will end up) what happens if you and your husband want to move house in the future. You will feel responsible to find her somewhere to live and who will fund that?

A wise person once said to me “Never start anything you can’t see the end of”. Please don’t be sucked into emotional blackmail it will only end in disaster.

Lovetoplan · 20/03/2021 17:50

Sorry but it should be a definite no. Unfortunately taking on her problems will not help. She will only be more realistic with tough love. Save the money you would have spent on the garage for if she really needs it and DH wants to give her a few quid!

Yogalola · 20/03/2021 17:54

Think you need to make it quite clear that you and your husband cannot provide accommodation in the garage as you may decide to move elsewhere in the future. Plus if she’s building up debts , do you really want her using your address. SIL needs to take responsibility for her actions, and not rely so heavily on people’s hospitality.

Washimal · 20/03/2021 17:54

how do you get to that age and be so daft?

Did you read the OP properly? Not "daft", vulnerable. She has Autism. That means that even if she's very intelligent she could still be highly suggestible, easily influenced by things she's seen on social media/read/been told and struggle to read people's intentions...so liable to make bad financial decisions and fall for all sorts of scams thinking she's getting a great deal. It's not uncommon.

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