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Upset about letter from neighbour, and angry at myself for telling DD

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SheikahSlate · 18/03/2021 12:03

This is my first post, so I hope I am posting in the right place. I guess I'm asking AIBU for being this upset. I'll try to be as succinct as possible. Sorry if it's a bit long.

Quick bit of context. My DD (now 6) and I moved into this semi-detached house in November (rented). The house is 'attached' to another building which has been converted into 6 small apartments (also rentals, but with a different landlord). DD has only recently been back in school (I'm not a key worker - I'm studying for a Masters and start teacher training in September), so we've been in A LOT, homeschooling, following guidelines, etc etc.

Back in November, a few days after we had moved in, my mum came round for a cup of tea (I'm a single parent, and I'm in a bubble with my parents). We were talking in the sitting room. There was a knock on the door and a young woman, probably early twenties, was stood there looking a bit perplexed. She asked, 'do you live here? I thought this was an office'. This slightly perplexed me, because it’s clearly a house, but I was pleased to meet a neighbour so quickly and said that my daughter and I had just moved in, and briefly introduced myself and enquired in turn about her. She's from London, but studying for a medical degree at the University here. She then said she had heard talking, so loud that it 'was like it was just right outside my window'. 'Great', I thought...'thin walls'. However, my mum and I don't talk particularly loudly - and were just chatting in a very normal way. I felt like the young woman was waiting for me to apologise or offer to reduce the noise, but I just felt that I shouldn't. I'm generally a very accommodating person (sometimes too accommodating, I think) but felt that I shouldn't offer not to talk, at a normal level, in my own sitting room. It turns out she lives basically in one room, and works at her computer on the other side of the wall. I did, however, feel sympathy that she could hear noise, and that this was disturbing her. I know that the previous tenant here was a divorced man who wasn't home at a lot - and without children - so she was probably used to blissful silence.

Anyway, I have never seen her since. I've already established a really good relationship with the people in the house next to us (another semi-detached), but see little of the people in the flats to the other side. Yesterday morning, however, as I was leaving the house to take DD to school, I saw a letter had been posted. It was four pages of A4 and I quickly scanned it as I was in a rush, but my heart sank when I realised it was from the young woman, apparently at her wit's end, about the noise coming from our house. The letter included one which she had composed just after Christmas, and one she had written that morning. She said she had resisted sending the one at Christmas at first, but that she's now really struggling.

Apparently she hears lots of shouting and thudding, which stops her going to sleep (she said she goes to bed very early some days - between 6 and 7pm after working at her placement) , and that the noise also impacts on her ability to concentrate on her studies. I have obviously obsessed and obsessed about what she could be referring to. Occasionally, but not that frequently, my DD decides to launch herself from the sofa, or climb to the top of the door frame and drop down, so that could explain the thuds. As far as 'shouting' goes, often I do shout upstairs - 'Are you OK?' - if she's playing in her bedroom. Or I call her from the kitchen, ‘Dinner’s ready!’. Admittedly, I will often have shouted either of these things at around 6-7pm, shortly before DD’s bedtime (but sadly DURING the bed time of the woman next door). I've started to become extremely paranoid about the level of noise we produce, but I just can't really, rationally believe it's anything beyond a normal level for a family of our (small) size.

I DO have sympathy. She's on her own, in a different city, studying for what must be an incredibly difficult degree, and under a huge amount of pressure. None of this is helped by COVID and the accompanying restrictions. I've struggled massively myself and definitely empathise. But I also feel slightly aggrieved that she didn't just come and speak to me sooner (and more directly, unlike that first time when she came round), rather than send me this really rather long essay about how desperate the situation has been for her, and basically lying it all at my door.

I've asked if we can speak face to face (she gave me her number in her letter), and we're going to speak tomorrow. I feel like my approach should be that, 'while I feel sympathy, we are a small family just doing normal things and behaving in a very normal way. I don't know what more I can do?’ Is this reasonable? It's so difficult...

What I'm most upset about, and angry at myself about, is that I STUPIDLY mentioned it my daughter. I am an absolute idiot. In the car I was in a bit of shock after receiving the letter, and feeling awful and weird, and gently told my daughter that we might need to be careful to keep the noise down otherwise we might upset the neighbours. She knew I had a letter in my hand, and put two and two together. Again, STUPIDLY, on my part, she overheard me mentioning it to a close friend near the school gates.

Sorry for all this rambling. But to finish - DD is a sensitive thing, and on our previous street, where we lived since she was born, we were surrounded by a huge array of really lovely neighbours. She's always associated 'neighbours' with friendly, almost family-like people. This has shaken her a bit and she keeps asking about our neighbour, and saying she feels 'bad and sad' about the letter. She even started whispering yesterday evening when we were in the sitting room, fearful that she might be being too noisy. I regret letting her know about this so, so, so much - it was an utterly stupid and irresponsible thing to do. So I guess I also would love any advice on how to repair the damage done here.

Sorry again for the rambling. Well done, and thanks, if you made it to the end.

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bagsofbats · 18/03/2021 15:14

Completely missing the point of the thread but just to say my daughters do the door frame thing, I can't wait for the local climbing wall to be open again!

FullofCurryandparatha · 18/03/2021 15:20

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Daisy8181 · 18/03/2021 15:20

YANBU- I wouldn’t pay her too much mind OP

thosetalesofunexpected · 18/03/2021 15:22

Tell your neighbour that every day normal house hold family noise is no natural.

However I do think your daughter knowing being aware of making her aware of being bit more consirderate about making excessive noise such as messing about launching herself off things in her house,is too much for next door neighbour.

Tell next door neighbour sound councelling headphones would be beneficial for her to buy, for this type of thing.!

Don't worry about your daughter she be ok,
Children can be far more resilient than they appear.

Best of luck with studying to get your masters well done

You are amazing inspiration role model to your daughter and myself and to others too.DaffodilStarCakeWine x

CuthbertDibbleandGrubb · 18/03/2021 15:23

Expecting no noise at 7pm is unreasonable. I think the next door neighbour needs help you cannot and are not qualified to give. I also feel concerned that someone who seems to be vulnerable may not be able to cope with what inevitably those studying and practicing medicine have to witness.

minniemoocher · 18/03/2021 15:25

Yelling up the stairs you can try to avoid, jumping about similarly but normal household noise like talking she needs to learn to cope with or move to a sound proof box! Don't overthink it but do try to alter habits that are verging on unacceptable.

I'm guilty of calling upstairs too, I'm not judging you, and I should also stop doing it!

littleredberries · 18/03/2021 15:26

@FullofCurryandparatha

But I would reply with a note saying "education is important to everyone. Not just you. Heads up - my daughter is starting percussion lessons."Then I would get out all the pots and pans and have a banging session. And the light relief from that would probably solve your daughter's anxiety as well! 😂But that's just me

What a twat you would be.

Yes, the neighbour is being unreasonable, obviously. But she's clearly also struggling. OP doesn't have to do anything different or apologise, but to advise her to go out of her way to antagonise someone slearly having a hard time....who the fuck would do that?

You really need to remember to take what you read on the internet with a pinch of salt. And I'll thank you not to swear.
Lsquiggles · 18/03/2021 15:30

You are making normal family life levels of noise and it's down to her to learn to cope with it unfortunately, you can't spend your life walking on eggshells in your own home! Please stand strong on this, she sounds very manipulative.

AramintaLee · 18/03/2021 15:32

Oh OP I sympathise with you but also know how distressing noise from the NDN can be. We had a group of Uni aged lads move in next door and one night they decided to have a very loud, drunken group singalong in the bedroom adjacent to mine... at 3am... on a weeknight. I even went outside in the pouring rain in my PJs to bang on their front door (which didn't hear over their truly horrendous singing) I sent them a letter the next day asking that they kindly STFU and keep singalongs to before 11pm and not on a weeknight. To be fair, they haven't done it since but they can still be noisy (we often hear shouting and movies being played far too loud to the point where I know exactly what movie is being watched)

This difference is... all of this is usually done at an unsociable time - after 11pm. If they were making standard noise during the day, I'm not sure I could do or say anything. So I do think your NDN is being unreasonable. Perhaps it's her first home and she's never been exposed to neighbourly noise before? It definitely sounds like she has a fixation.

I think the most you can do is assure her you've told your daughter not to jump around too loudly, but you can't spend your life whispering in your own home. I would probably throw it back on her and ask her what she thinks you can reasonably do to reduce the noise and see what she comes up with. Good luck, you sounds like a lovely person.

Rillington · 18/03/2021 15:33

All that sounds like normal every day living. She cannot expect silence at times that suit her. You are allowed to live your lives.

Having had really noisy neighbours it drove me insane. However that was screaming at all hours and music so loud our house vibrated.

GrumpyHoonMain · 18/03/2021 15:39

She’s a medical student. Her sleeping early means she probably wakes up very early and, I assume like most medical students, is also plugging up the NHS currently so she must be working long hours too. I would cut her some slack and try and rope dd in to doing something nice for her - maybe a bunch of flowers or a box of chocolates? The fact is you’re both stuck there for the time being so why not be friendly to each other?

My neighbour’s son is in a similar situation in a different city. Only he lives next to a food delivery place. He actually takes the train back to our town after night shifts (a good 2 hours away) so he can sleep and study because the noise is unbearable for him.

Zoomzoomelephantboom · 18/03/2021 15:44

HRTWT, BUT as others have said you are describing normal noise......in fact as far as attached neighbours go you sound like a dream. I wouldn't alter any of your behaviour. Expecting silence after 7pm is unreasonable. How on earth is she going to cope as a Dr? There is noise constantly in any hospital environment, and what is she going to do when she does nightshifts? you can't expect everyone within earshot to be silent in the day while you are trying to sleep (I speak from experience).

Viviennemary · 18/03/2021 15:48

You are in no way excessively noisy from what you've written. I wouldn't pander to this person and go creeping about whispering in my own home. Tell her to buy a pair of earplugs.

Zoomzoomelephantboom · 18/03/2021 15:48

@GrumpyHoonMain you have a very naive view of how medical students live. Life as a medical student really isn't hard, even in covid times. Unless she has chosen to live a 2 hour commute away from her placements there is no reason why she would be up early. The earliest ward rounds start at 8am and there is no reason to be in the hospital before that. I'll give her a generous 30 minute commute and an hour to be up and out of the house, so her alarm goes off at 6.30am....which is later than mine and I don't get to go to bed at 7pm.

Iminaglasscaseofemotion · 18/03/2021 15:48

Honestly sounds like she may have dome problems, but, don't take this the wrong way, it sounds like all 3 of you need to toughen up a bit. Your OP was so overly emotional about a bit of noise and your dd finding out the neighbour complained. Good lesson for your dd that everyone isn't that friendly. Not sure why you so desperately wish you hadn't told her.

GrumpyHoonMain · 18/03/2021 15:57

[quote Zoomzoomelephantboom]@GrumpyHoonMain you have a very naive view of how medical students live. Life as a medical student really isn't hard, even in covid times. Unless she has chosen to live a 2 hour commute away from her placements there is no reason why she would be up early. The earliest ward rounds start at 8am and there is no reason to be in the hospital before that. I'll give her a generous 30 minute commute and an hour to be up and out of the house, so her alarm goes off at 6.30am....which is later than mine and I don't get to go to bed at 7pm.[/quote]
I have seen how it’s working currently as I have a lot of friends and family studying for or working in various NHS related courses / jobs. All the med students in their 3rd year or above are working on wards and studying and not doing anything else - things are tougher for them since Lockdown started because many have extra responsibilities now. I know several final year med students who are at breaking point as they have done nothing else but support covid wards across London. Not just one hospital - they often get sent to multiple ones.

I have 3 midwifery and nursing trainees in my family circle and they currently get ward / work experience substituted for study - but only if they also cover specific procedures. This effectively means mandatory overtime for them if they want to pass because they have to cover covid wards too. This is in London. Things might be different elsewhere.

Things are hard for them.

Aerielview · 18/03/2021 15:58

If you've had no complaints from your neighbour on your other side then I wouldn't worry about her, op. She sounds a bit neurotic, to be honest.

WeAllHaveWings · 18/03/2021 16:00

Tell her you are sorry living next to a family with normal family noises is causing her distress, but your noise level is not excessive or at what is normally considered unsociable hours and you will not curtail how you and your child live and relax in your own home.

Suggest noise cancelling earphones/earplugs or asking her landlord (assuming she is renting) to try sound proofing.

If you plan on staying in this house for a few years you could have new students every few years complaining, when lockdown ends you could have more of your or dd's friends over, you need to set your boundaries now and don't need to feel guilty. Do not make promises you will resent trying to keep.

MishaHarrow · 18/03/2021 16:02

Your neighbour sounds like a Karen tbh

CuriousaboutSamphire · 18/03/2021 16:04

No! We don't do 'Karens' here do we?

Plonthy · 18/03/2021 16:04

I'd have written her a two line letter, and ask her which line she wants:

"Move"

Or

"Fuck Off".

tsmainsqueeze · 18/03/2021 16:04

@Biffbaff

You and your daughter sound so lovely. That other lady needs to move, she sounds awful.
Just what i was thinking !
bridgetreilly · 18/03/2021 16:05

Honestly if your neighbour can't cope with the noise where she lives, she needs to move (or use earplugs). She cannot expect you not to live normally in your own house.

MishaHarrow · 18/03/2021 16:06

@CuriousaboutSamphire

No! We don't do 'Karens' here do we?
As long as we aren't the Karens then its okay i thought! Tbf, we do all know 1 like that though, dont we?
WisnaeMe · 18/03/2021 16:07

let your DD play freely OP and tell this Knob Neighbour to MOVE.

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