AIBU to cringe at the term plus size?

[MishaHarrow]

AIBU to cringe at the term plus size?

Surely large/larger or big/bigger sounds better?

We definitely need to think of overweight as "not normal". I am overweight and don't intend to be much longer (on a long term weight loss lifestyle change). I needed a kick up the arse and to realise the weight and waist measurement I had was not normal. For millennia we haven't been this fat ever be t it is becoming normalised to see kids with gut overhangs. A third of the kids in my daughter's class are overweight with at least 5 being obese. That shouldn't be seen as normal. Those poor kids are being set up for a life time of risk of ill health.

Ohhhhh dear god. I dont care what the sellers term my clothing. If it fits and I like it I'll buy it.

@Pinchoftums

We definitely need to think of overweight as "not normal". I am overweight and don't intend to be much longer (on a long term weight loss lifestyle change). I needed a kick up the arse and to realise the weight and waist measurement I had was not normal. For millennia we haven't been this fat ever be t it is becoming normalised to see kids with gut overhangs. A third of the kids in my daughter's class are overweight with at least 5 being obese. That shouldn't be seen as normal. Those poor kids are being set up for a life time of risk of ill health.

Why are you assuming all plus size people are overweight?

@cripez

'Coming back down to normal'

Nice, OP. That tells me all I need to know about your attitude to plus sized women.

I thought that. Love the mil and her FM as a plus size lady myself i'm going to use that from now on.

@KatherineJaneway

We need to see overweight as being abnormal, I’m honestly staggered at how a whole nation seems quite happy to be deprived of their liberty in order to protect the NHS, yet going on a diet (which would undoubtedly be of huge benefit the NHS) is somehow ‘insulting’

Calling fellow plus size buyers. @GreenWillow has the answer! All we have to do is go on a diet and we'll be slim! Who knew It is so easy, why didn't I think of this before

Hold on, I think I see a flaw here............

Look, I’m not wishing to get into an argument with you, but is this genuinely how you feel about this issue?

Losing weight is a bit hard, so it’s ok for you to put huge pressure on public services (so everyone else has to subsidise you)?

Surely you can see that this isn’t ok? You just need to accept that fixing the problem you’ve caused yourself is going to be difficult, and just crack on with it.

It’s not easy, of course not but nothing worth having ever is.

@GreenWillow what pressure? I mean I put pressure on the NHS because I have a host of rare diseases. Nothing related to weight
I could be a size 8 and would still have the same issues
What about smokers, alcoholics, drug users?
Not everyone who is "plus size" is unhealthy

[quote QueenPaw]@GreenWillow what pressure? I mean I put pressure on the NHS because I have a host of rare diseases. Nothing related to weight
I could be a size 8 and would still have the same issues
What about smokers, alcoholics, drug users?
Not everyone who is "plus size" is unhealthy[/quote]
Smokers, alcoholics and drug users are far more unhealthy. These 3 groups should definitely be judged as such imo. Especially alcoholics and drug users, they make me furious, a burden to society.
(My ex next door neighbour used to be an alcoholic and mix pills. Ended up a complete nut job. A complete nightmare and stain on society)

Whataboutery like this is just so unhelpful.

All other things being equal, all people will be healthier with a normal BMI than an abnormal one. Without exception.

I'm so sick of this shit on here. Well done for working so hard at making yourself thin, OP. That is clearly something you wanted and achieved and are proud of.

You can call us fatties whatever you want, as you are now in Saint range at BMI.

It's not whataboutery though, it's a very simple reflection on the fact that many behaviours could be seen as a "strain on the NHS"

extreme sports, for example, a friend of mine likes extreme surfing, he injures himself regularly, should he be forbidden from surfing because he is putting pressure on the NHS? what about my ultramarathon running friend and her continuous stress fractures?

what about workaholics? stress is unhealthy.

It's just a really dangerous way of thinking that opens up all sorts of judgemental commentary at best, undue interference in people's behaviour or denial of care to certain categories at worse (if we started thinking that people who behave in certain ways should be made to pay for their care, for example)

health is such a complex combination of genetics and lifestyle that we should not be too quick to judge people in my opinion

but people love a good fat bashing session, no? nothing like feeling superior and righteous when compared to the lazy fatties, yeah?

@missperegrinespeculiar

It's not whataboutery though, it's a very simple reflection on the fact that many behaviours could be seen as a "strain on the NHS"

extreme sports, for example, a friend of mine likes extreme surfing, he injures himself regularly, should he be forbidden from surfing because he is putting pressure on the NHS? what about my ultramarathon running friend and her continuous stress fractures?

what about workaholics? stress is unhealthy.

It's just a really dangerous way of thinking that opens up all sorts of judgemental commentary at best, undue interference in people's behaviour or denial of care to certain categories at worse (if we started thinking that people who behave in certain ways should be made to pay for their care, for example)

health is such a complex combination of genetics and lifestyle that we should not be too quick to judge people in my opinion

but people love a good fat bashing session, no? nothing like feeling superior and righteous when compared to the lazy fatties, yeah?

Yep, and I am so fucking over it on here. I have never felt as judged for being overweight as I do when I reveal that fact on MN.

And I know it's because it's full of women of a certain age who make themselves earn their food and want that lifestyle choice validated.

Good for them. But don't judge me because I'm too fucking depressed or ill to do HIIT. I don't smoke, drink, drive fast, do extreme sports. I try very hard not to die in all areas of my life.

That's the thing though, all other things aren't equal
Is my size 6 friend who does no exercise healthier than my size 14 friend who runs ultras?
Is a size 12 who drinks every night healthier than a size 16?
How about my male friend who has lost 3 stone recently and does loads of exercise but never eats any fruit or veg (I mean none, not even a piece of onion or apple juice..)
Height, waist size, weight, exercise, genetics, other health issues, lifestyle.. everyone is individual so I don't think it can be a blanket healthier or not
Am I unhealthy because I have autoimmune disorders? Does it make me more healthy if I'm 2 stone lighter despite having no weight related issues and that I will still have the same disorders?

FWIW I would rather just be called by my name than a label.

@QueenPaw

That's the thing though, all other things aren't equal Is my size 6 friend who does no exercise healthier than my size 14 friend who runs ultras? Is a size 12 who drinks every night healthier than a size 16? How about my male friend who has lost 3 stone recently and does loads of exercise but never eats any fruit or veg (I mean none, not even a piece of onion or apple juice..) Height, waist size, weight, exercise, genetics, other health issues, lifestyle.. everyone is individual so I don't think it can be a blanket healthier or not Am I unhealthy because I have autoimmune disorders? Does it make me more healthy if I'm 2 stone lighter despite having no weight related issues and that I will still have the same disorders?

Are you really disputing the fact that an individual obese person will be healthier if they lose weight?

This is what is actually comes down to, trying to compare between individuals is a very shaky avenue down which to go.

We have just suffered one of the worst death tolls on the planet due to the impact our obesity has had on COVID patients, what actually needs to happen to make people understand this point?

I really hoped that, as the whole idea that we are collectively responsible for the NHS gained traction in society, people would take more responsibility for their own weight, but here we are, so...

When shopping in a large department store across the pond I discovered a floor mostly consisting of larger sizes. The designer ranges included Ralph Lauren called simply Lauren. Liz Claiborne called Elisabeth
And Tommy Hilfiger Woman. Something you never see here and I got some lovely pieces.

Who wants to go into a shop and ask where they keep their bigger range though most ordinary shops only go up to a 18 or maybe a 20. M & S do go higher as far as a 24 in their normal ranges.

I'm a 20/22 but tried on a coat I have from years ago which still fits. Bought in the mid nineties it is a M&S 16 Not sure how that works.

@GreenWillow I'm probably biased yes as even age 11 I was a size 12 due to height and shoulders
I can't physically lose weight as I can't eat any less or move any more. So I do my best to be as healthy as I can within those limitations. But at 5ft 10 I'm not dropping below 1200 calories a day, and I can't exercise so..
I don't drink, smoke, sunbathe and try to eat the best I can, take multivitamins and supplements

I don't see what's wrong with 'plus size'. Not every retailer sell clothes in every size up to the very biggest, so it is a way of signalling that they do sizes over the general 8-18/20 range. 'Bigger' or 'Larger' doesn't really explain anything - bigger than what? What do you want them to say - sizes for the massively obese? grossly overweight? Those terms would be considered offensive.

@ginghamstarfish

I don't see what's wrong with 'plus size'. Not every retailer sell clothes in every size up to the very biggest, so it is a way of signalling that they do sizes over the general 8-18/20 range. 'Bigger' or 'Larger' doesn't really explain anything - bigger than what? What do you want them to say - sizes for the massively obese? grossly overweight? Those terms would be considered offensive.

If all shops were size inclusive there would be no need to label the higher sizes as anything, they would simply be clothes. Which of course is what they are anyway.

But not all shops offer an entire range of sizes to fit every possible person. It's probably not viable from a business point of view, so it appears to me that the ones who do stock larger sizes need to label it. and 'plus size' indicates that. I don't see it as something to be offended at.

@ginghamstarfish

But not all shops offer an entire range of sizes to fit every possible person. It's probably not viable from a business point of view, so it appears to me that the ones who do stock larger sizes need to label it. and 'plus size' indicates that. I don't see it as something to be offended at.

They stock size 6 don't they? I'd wager there are more size 20 women in the U.K. than size 6...

If all shops were size inclusive there would be no need to label the higher sizes as anything, they would simply be clothes. Which of course is what they are anyway.

Then there is also no need for petite, tall etc. It needs label because they are not supposed to be same like small size just bigger. They are supoosed to be bit differently designed.

If all shops were size inclusive there would be no need to label the higher sizes as anything, they would simply be clothes.

But then wouldn't there be an outcry when the size 18 dress cost more than the size 8?
Larger sizes require more material to make, that's just fact. I imagine part of the reason there are separate departments with different designs in them is to stop calls of discrimination because you're effectively paying more to be equally dressed.

I remember the catalogues where each size costed differently 😂
6 - £10
10- £13
14 - £15
And so on.

Do they still do this or has it completely stop?

Im intrested in al the people ponting out that being overweight puts pressure on the nhs , do u feel the same way of people who have Anorexia or bulimia? Are they putting pressure on the nhs?

They stock size 6 don't they? I'd wager there are more size 20 women in the U.K. than size 6...
Gap jeans start at size 2. I've always wondered why. How many grown women are size 2?