I despair

[Anotherlovelybitofsquirrel]

Just when you think it can't get worse...yes it's the DM, if you don't like the DM don't click. I am at a loss to how this creature thought it was a, funny and b, fine to share. When normal people are sickened and horrified by this beautiful young womans life being taken. Hope they get sacked and never find another job. Bastard.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9369547/Cop-Sarah-Everard-crime-scene-sent-vile-parody-Highway-Code-seven-officers.html

@Wishing14

I do think there can be a certain type of person (probably often male) who is attracted to the police for the wrong reasons (power for example) and therefore there will always be a certain proportion of this type of behaviour in the force. Not to say most police are like that. We certainly don’t have any where close to the same extent of issues with the police as America for example.

In the same way certain males will be attracted to any position that gives them power and access to vulnerable people.

I don't personally know what the answer is to the institutionalised part though. I genuinely don't. What solutions do you think there could be?

I have absolutely no idea, short of shutting the whole thing down and starting again with a much tighter vetting system, better processes in place to deal with any type of misogyny at all, and a policy at the very core that police officers should be absolutely squeaky clean or immediately turfed.

What solutions do you think would work?

@Pumperthepumper

I don't personally know what the answer is to the institutionalised part though. I genuinely don't. What solutions do you think there could be?

I have absolutely no idea, short of shutting the whole thing down and starting again with a much tighter vetting system, better processes in place to deal with any type of misogyny at all, and a policy at the very core that police officers should be absolutely squeaky clean or immediately turfed.

What solutions do you think would work?

Perhaps all of your suggestions plus more training and awareness for all officers about the importance of whistleblowing? I mean, you'd hope most of them would know this anyway, but just to reinforce it to them that you need to be calling out anything however small, that you think compromises good practice etc. Similar stuff to what they do in the NHS I guess.

I know you're saying that the individuals who call it out are irrelevant - but IMO they're really not. That's such a key part of tackling a toxic culture within an institution- having those on the inside who are willing to come forward and say this shouldn't be happening. Maybe better training and recruitment processes, as you suggest, would lead to more of these types being recruited in the first place?

So all of the above maybe?

I know you're saying that the individuals who call it out are irrelevant - but IMO they're really not. That's such a key part of tackling a toxic culture within an institution- having those on the inside who are willing to come forward and say this shouldn't be happening. Maybe better training and recruitment processes, as you suggest, would lead to more of these types being recruited in the first place?

No, I said it was irrelevant that your husband doesn’t know of any misogyny within his force.

Of course, by the time they call it out, the offender has already had a chance to commit an offence. Locking the stable door and all that.

@Pumperthepumper

I know you're saying that the individuals who call it out are irrelevant - but IMO they're really not. That's such a key part of tackling a toxic culture within an institution- having those on the inside who are willing to come forward and say this shouldn't be happening. Maybe better training and recruitment processes, as you suggest, would lead to more of these types being recruited in the first place?

No, I said it was irrelevant that your husband doesn’t know of any misogyny within his force.

Of course, by the time they call it out, the offender has already had a chance to commit an offence. Locking the stable door and all that.

Ahh I see. I thought you were saying it was irrelevant that he'd call it out instantly.

I've seen good things come out of robust whistleblowing training in NHS contexts. I've seen individual members of staff teams confident enough to come forward and say I witnessed x, and I'm uncomfortable with it, etc. It can be a powerful vehicle for change if enough get on board with it.

However, I accept the NHS doesn't really necessarily compare to an institution that attracts a different type of person, like you say.

Half the women on here didn't manage to notice their husband having affairs behind their back, I'd be surprised if most of them knew what their partners were like out of earshot at work.

This this this. I always feel sorry for posters like this.

Goddddd the stories I could tell about an ex-boyfriend police officer. He thought loads of the group chat "banter" was in poor taste (or worse) but I'm convinced he still participated because IT'S WHAT MEN DO!!! I'm also basically convinced that is the sort of environment they work in.

And there are many like it. I was an apprentice plumber until fairly recently... All "nice my John" type men, or "my lovely son who gets granny's shopping every weekend". I bet none of their girlfriends/ wives/ mothers thought they made the jokes they did.

Because that's what it is. It's all a big joke. And we'll never be more than that.

Agreed. No speculation please - sub judice - but it will be very interesting to know in the fullness of time what the accused was like at home and elsewhere.

And I wonder who in the 'meme'-circulating officer's home life knew he was someone capable of it?

I actually feel sick! This is awful!

Bringing the focus of the thread back once again to the person who really matters: The inquest into Sarah's death was opened and adjourned today, watched by her family via video link, and Sarah's body has been released for her funeral.

The Catholic Church has a sex abuse issue
The police as an institution has a misogyny problem

Many posters have disagreed that these are systemic issues within these institutions . Why are some determined to bully and gaslight others into agreeing that this is the case?

@tangerinelollipop

The Catholic Church has a sex abuse issue The police as an institution has a misogyny problem

Many posters have disagreed that these are systemic issues within these institutions . Why are some determined to bully and gaslight others into agreeing that this is the case?

I don’t understand how they can’t be considered systemic issues. Of course they are - the CC has a very, very long history of covering abuse. That doesn’t happen with a few bad apples, that’s a systemic policy of protecting their own.

Speaking on BBC Radio 4's Woman's Hour on Monday, former chief constable Susannah Fish said there was still "a toxic culture of sexism" in significant parts of policing and described the police response to the vigil for Sarah as "institutional" misogyny. The rest of the interview is also worth listening to or reading about for anyone still in any doubt.

Whats wrong with these people?

My son is that age, he'd never ever even consider doing that, you couldn't pay him enough. Why does another man think its ok???