I despair

[Anotherlovelybitofsquirrel]

Just when you think it can't get worse...yes it's the DM, if you don't like the DM don't click. I am at a loss to how this creature thought it was a, funny and b, fine to share. When normal people are sickened and horrified by this beautiful young womans life being taken. Hope they get sacked and never find another job. Bastard.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9369547/Cop-Sarah-Everard-crime-scene-sent-vile-parody-Highway-Code-seven-officers.html

You are missing the point that he has been working in an environment where he did not think that meme was inappropriate to share with more experienced colleagues. How has he reached that conclusion?

Because he's an utter knob, clearly!
He'd have come to that conclusion in probably most environments.

Answer me this - if I started a new job as a woman, and I received an unsolicited dick picture from a new male colleague - would you say I must have given him the impression that was appropriate? Or would you say his behaviour is entirely on him and nothing to do with me as the recipient?

This is not blanket police bashing,

It certainly comes across that way

Absolutely disgusting. I don't care how old he is or how inexperienced. It's disgraceful.

This has really upset me, so god only knows how her family and friends feel. She can't even rest in peace. If she were my daughter, I'd be after his blood.

He was a probationer, presumably someone is responsible for overseeing his training, I would imagine that if it came to light that a more senior officer was aware of the conduct and had not reported it then their conduct would also be investigated so I'd suggest some of the reporting has been out of self preservation.*

That's cynical complete assumption on your part. If I was a colleague receiving that shit, regardless of whether the person had been in profession 20 years or 2 minutes - I wouldn't give a shit - it would be getting reported for being disgustingly inappropriate. My male DP police officer would say the exact same.

My last sentence made no sense - I meant my male police officer partner would say the exact same. The circumstances of the idiot sending the message would be irrelevant- it would be called out. Making jokes and banter is one thing. Jokes about a woman's brutal murder? Fucking disgusting and there are (believe it or not!) many men who are also police officers who would say the exact same.

LucieStar .I think the Police mostly do a very good job of protecting us .As you say your DH is a good officer with the public welfare at heart .There are many more like him.One bad apple is the same as anywhere .There is often one man in the office with whom women dont feel comfortable .Doesnt mean every other guy is the same!Also can I be the only one who feels uncomfortable with this in the press as Sarahs poor family must fell its like salt being rubbed in their wounds?

@LucieStar with all due respect, I know your husband is a copper, but please don’t hijack this thread to shout ‘not all police officers!’

No one is saying that, but we are trying to express disgust at two very recent appalling episodes of police conduct involving three murdered women.

Answer me this - if I started a new job as a woman, and I received an unsolicited dick picture from a new male colleague - would you say I must have given him the impression that was appropriate?

Absolutely not but if you were an established employee and a new male colleague sent you a dick pic I would certainly question his training and the culture of your work environment that lead him to be confident enough to do something so utterly inappropriate. I would expect anyone new to a job, especially one on probation, to be on their best behaviour and keen to impress, he appears to have no idea about acceptable professional conduct.

[quote NormanStangerson]@LucieStar with all due respect, I know your husband is a copper, but please don’t hijack this thread to shout ‘not all police officers!’

No one is saying that, but we are trying to express disgust at two very recent appalling episodes of police conduct involving three murdered women.[/quote]
"Hijack"?

Am I not allowed my own views?

I'm taking issue with the blaming attitude some are taking towards the recipients of this disgusting message. All they did was receive a message which they then promptly reported! But they encouraged it apparently. I think that's entirely unfair but whatever.

@FOJN

Answer me this - if I started a new job as a woman, and I received an unsolicited dick picture from a new male colleague - would you say I must have given him the impression that was appropriate?

Absolutely not but if you were an established employee and a new male colleague sent you a dick pic I would certainly question his training and the culture of your work environment that lead him to be confident enough to do something so utterly inappropriate. I would expect anyone new to a job, especially one on probation, to be on their best behaviour and keen to impress, he appears to have no idea about acceptable professional conduct.

So you're not blaming the recipients of the message now, then? Interesting back track.

@dottiedodah

LucieStar .I think the Police mostly do a very good job of protecting us .As you say your DH is a good officer with the public welfare at heart .There are many more like him.One bad apple is the same as anywhere .There is often one man in the office with whom women dont feel comfortable .Doesnt mean every other guy is the same!Also can I be the only one who feels uncomfortable with this in the press as Sarahs poor family must fell its like salt being rubbed in their wounds?

Thanks for understanding.

Well, of the 35 posts, 15 of them are yours.

@NormanStangerson

Well, of the 35 posts, 15 of them are yours.

And?

That was in response to your outrage at my use of the word hijack.

Of course you’re allowed your own view. But so is everyone else.

I know you’re bothered by the idea that some posters might say all coppers are misogynistic etc, but I don’t think anyone is really saying that. More responding to two horrifying episodes involving three dead women.

And the constant posts about the officers/people who received the message about the Highway Code, is overshadowing the actual victims, the murdered women.

And that is my opinion and it is delivered with respect.

So you're not blaming the recipients of the message now, then? Interesting back track.

Not at all. It's common to pick up on cues about how to behave in new situations from those around us. Far from being on his best behaviour this probationer felt confident enough to share a disgusting meme with more experienced colleagues, if the behaviour he had observed was respectful professionalism then how did he feel confident enough to do something the complete opposite of this, I'm saying the cues he had received from some of his colleagues did not lead him to believe he would get into any trouble for it.

People who say it's one bad apple are totally missing the terrifying reality. It's hard to face up to isn't it. Than men in general see us as sub human, even the police.
Society is rotten with it on so, so many ways.
It is right that women call it out and it is right that women are furious.
Of course it's been going on forever, but now a light has been shone on it.

@NormanStangerson

That was in response to your outrage at my use of the word hijack.

Of course you’re allowed your own view. But so is everyone else.

I know you’re bothered by the idea that some posters might say all coppers are misogynistic etc, but I don’t think anyone is really saying that. More responding to two horrifying episodes involving three dead women.

And the constant posts about the officers/people who received the message about the Highway Code, is overshadowing the actual victims, the murdered women.

And that is my opinion and it is delivered with respect.

Someone did say just that, actually.

And yes - I'm aware that violence, protests, and chants of "fuck the police" and the focus on all of that have detracted massively from the victim of this horrific offence and the issues at hand. Hence why I was arguing quite strongly on a thread yesterday that the protests shouldn't have happened the way they did. But I'm not going down that road again.

I'll leave you to your police bashing thread. Enjoy.

Luciestar I agree with you. I have family and friends who work within the police force, men and women. They are disgusted with what this man did and are just as angry as we are. Unfortunately sick people can infiltrate any profession whether it be teachers, priests, doctors, army or police.

@Louiselady500

Luciestar I agree with you. I have family and friends who work within the police force, men and women. They are disgusted with what this man did and are just as angry as we are. Unfortunately sick people can infiltrate any profession whether it be teachers, priests, doctors, army or police.

Yes exactly!

Doctors have killed people too. Where are the chants of "fuck all the doctors?" (Incidentally I'd find this equally disgusting).

However you won't get much support for your view on this thread.

[quote NormanStangerson]@LucieStar with all due respect, I know your husband is a copper, but please don’t hijack this thread to shout ‘not all police officers!’

No one is saying that, but we are trying to express disgust at two very recent appalling episodes of police conduct involving three murdered women.[/quote]
Agreed.

It is wholly unacceptable, totally reprehensible and I hope this person is punished correctly.

Yet I can't help to feel like this is misdirection? Swift action taken against a probationary officer who sent a [vile and un-defendable] meme isn't quite addressing the issue is it.

As for those utter cunts who posed with those poor women's bodies, well there are no words!!!!

@LucieStar I understand your frustration and I am sure your DH is a good policeman as are probably most.

My concern here is that a misongynistic little fucker even gets close to being a police officer and he thinks that his actions are funny. I am British but not living in the UK right now and I have been following this case with ever increasing sadness about how men think about and treat women. Seeing this has really just tipped me over the edge from anger to absolute white hot fury!

You @LucieStar are also diminishing this. You say he misjudged his audience, he is young and new at the job. I would be absolutely horrified if my son thought that making fun of a dead woman was acceptable.

You seem to think what he did was ok because he was young, I think it was terrible and we as parents should be teaching our sons to respect women not give the 'boys' a free pass because they are boys.

It’s great that police officers are disgusted by and reported this event, but clearly it’s not isolated so a wider discussion needs to be had on the environment that allows this to occur.

I would have hoped that the non bad apples would support that.

Somehow...! Somehow! someone always an excuse for these types of people.

'He was young and in training.'

What utter fucking bullshit.

I'm sorry if some of you are offended but he is factually a male policeman officer so I think people are allowed to think that his job and his sex have some bearing on how he has been socialised that think this is acceptable in a professional settings.

'My husband/brother/cousin would never do something like this, he thinks it's disgusting.'

Half the women on here didn't manage to notice their husband having affairs behind their back, I'd be surprised if most of them knew what their partners were like out of earshot at work.

I can't stand 'my John would never' mentality which puts conversations back into a space we were have to argue that these attitudes exist before we can even begin to tackle them to stop women and any vulnerable person being victimised by barely trained morons.

The man's a piece of shit who made fun over the kidnap and murder of a young innocent woman. Whilst on duty, being paid by the taxpayer.

The meme was an instruction manual on how to kidnap and murder a woman, a step-by-step guide that someone had created

Is that what the police are paid to do?

Because one of them is alleged to have done that in Sarah's case and it seems that more male police officers that it's would be amusing in some way to do this.

Why is he still working? Why desk duty and not immediate termination for promoting violence against women?

We need to take a good long look at policing standards in this country, the way some officers treat people they see as lower than them is disgusting.

How many reports have been sent to IPOC on this case alone for procedural failing? At my last count it was seven.

This is not one lone moron.

If 'members of the force' actually care about the public reputation of policing they should pull their fingers out and refuse to allow this institutional attiude to continue to flourish.

Set an example of what it means to be a decent police officer with some morals.

You @LucieStar are also diminishing this. You say he misjudged his audience, he is young and new at the job. I would be absolutely horrified if my son thought that making fun of a dead woman was acceptable.

Wrong.

Read back for the context of that particular comment I made.

Another poster claimed that his "audience" had clearly given him the impression it was acceptable to send the message; thereby evidencing the misogyny of the police force. She said it wasn't possible he had "misjudged" his audience.

I argued that it was entirely possible given his age and inexperience- therefore his actions cannot be attributable to others' seemingly giving him permission to do what he did.

Context of my comments, please.