My new neighbour is a convicted murderer

[murdernextdoor]

Have recently found out from another neighbour further up the street that my new next door neighbour has spent 4 years in prison for man slaughter of another man. I was sceptical so I googled his name. I saw all the newspaper articles about him. He had a fight and killed another man.
Don't know the reasons for the fight but I can't help but wonder if it was one of those cases of a one punch kill. Or maybe he stamped his head?

I am horrified that this man lives next to me. I now don't want my children to mix with his children anymore. I know some will say he's done his time, but imagine if it was your son he killed? It makes me sick to my stomach.

Should someone have notified us in some way about him moving there? Or maybe not as he's done his time and isn't a sex offender.

AIBU or would you be horrified as well? AIBU to tell my children to stay away from the house altogether. (I know it's covid now but I'm thinking in the future)

RoseRedRoseBlue

It would concern me living in close proximity to sex offenders even if in a hostel. I know how much monitoring goes on it’s impossible to monitor them 24hrs a day. And in my experience sex offenders do not change it’s the nature of who they are it’s often a waiting game

@OhWhyNot I was confident in the monitoring as I was involved in it.

He has the same rights to privacy as you.
They don't have to inform you.
You know the worst about him.
No doubt some of your neighbours will have offences that you have no idea about.

And no there isn’t always a massive difference in those who are convicted for murder or convicted for manslaughter

Women who have suffered years of violence from a partner have been convicted for murder

Men who have raped a women then killed her though the intention wasn’t to kill her have been convicted for manslaughter

I would rather this man, than the type who "likes to help out the community" and is downloading a shit tonne of childhood sexual abuse images.

@OhWhyNot if the intention was NOT to kill.....then it’s not murder!

Really you were confident a decision offender would never offend again and they were able to be monitored in the community 24hrs a day 7 days a week

I am very surprised to hear that

A sex offender ..

@Flowers24

You have an unbelievable attitude saying they have probably suffered too, oh dear what a shame, must be awful for them. Personally I feel more for the persons family of the one he killed.

Imagine someone grabs you, your DH pushes them away, they throw a punch, your DH throws a punch and they fall over and hit their head.

Would you have no sympathy for your DH?

@OhWhyNot that’s not what I said at all. I stated that I was confident in the quality of the monitoring. Nothing, however, is a given. As you obviously work in criminal justice, you should have some idea of recidivism rates.

Dah I know that

But very very violent people have been convicted for manslaughter I work with plenty of them

Even after they have been through the system there are some i would not want to live close to as many wouldn’t it’s natural to want to know your family is safe

Thankfully we are mostly blissfully unaware

Yes, I totally agree that some convicted of manslaughter can be very violent ....but this doesn’t appear to be the case in this particular instance.

I knew someone who was out for dinner and drinks with his wife, a few drunk lads started heckling her as they walked outside. The husband stood up for her, one of the lads came and clocked him in the face, the husband hit him back once and this lad stumbled back, hit his head on the kerb and died from the injury. CCTV was vital in the case. I'm not delving into the rights and wrongs of either side but I don't think its fair of you to say anyone convicted of manslaughter has no regard for human life. It was a tragedy, but in this case I don't feel he isn't a murderer.

The specifics do matter
One punch in a highly provoked one off fight in an otherwise decent member of society or is he a psychopath who picks fights just so he can reign punches on people for enjoyment... the fact he has his kids living with him suggest the former social services would have him in a visiting centre if he was dangerous

How do we know that it was a fight not self defence (or that wasn’t reported)

This thread has just shown typical mn rounding up on someone and others following. Of course people are shaken knowing a new neighbour has committed such a violent crime, it’s natural to want to see some sort of proof that someone who has been convicted of such a crime isn’t someone to be fearful of. What if there was an issue say over parking it wouldn’t cross you mind how they might react

Four years isn’t the shortish sentence but then we all know that sentencing in this country is often a joke many leave prison angrier and more aggressive than when they went in (a failure of our system)

And posters are tripping over themselves to show how non concerned they would be

@OhWhyNot

And no there isn’t always a massive difference in those who are convicted for murder or convicted for manslaughter

Women who have suffered years of violence from a partner have been convicted for murder

Men who have raped a women then killed her though the intention wasn’t to kill her have been convicted for manslaughter

The thing is OP does not not know. Well she said she doesn't, wondered about a few scenarios(one punch vs stamped on someone's head) then said she does, decided he's violent, then said she doesn't, then said she does but it would be outing, then said she felt off about him and this proves she's right.

@AccidentallyOnPurpose 😆😆 think you have summed it up there!

He has been in prison for manslaughter

You really wouldn’t be concerned or wary

It’s rubbish everyone would because ultimately making sure our family are safe and we feel safe is more important to us than appearing generous in nature

And I’ve seen on here how few have faith in our justice system

Manslaughter and murder are very different.

It isn't his children's fault.

I can understand the concern, but nothing you can do unless you move away.

I don’t think neighbours need to be notified unless you’re his victims or he’s a sex offender.

I wouldn’t stop your DC mixing - that really punishes his children and that’s very unfair on them.

@OhWhyNot

He has been in prison for manslaughter

You really wouldn’t be concerned or wary

It’s rubbish everyone would because ultimately making sure our family are safe and we feel safe is more important to us than appearing generous in nature

And I’ve seen on here how few have faith in our justice system

Because the circumstances do matter. If OP knows them,she's not sharing so we can't give an informed opinion. "She had a feeling" is not information, particularly from a poster that at best SEEMS manipulative.

I got in quite a few fights as a kid/teen. It could've easily been me. I don't have a temper and never got in a fight or even an argument with a neighbour in all the years I've lived here.

Haven’t read all the posts. I live in NI and come in to contact with people on a weekly basis who have done very very bad things in the past. You just have to mentally do your best to block it out and smile and be polite. Honestly you will go bad and be eaten up with anger otherwise.

is this man called Nigel?

But I guess you haven’t been in prison for manslaughter

If you have people would treat you differently why the pretence they wouldn’t

People are fearful of those that have committed violent crimes even if it was a mistake (one punch situation) they are still wary that things went that far and could that happen again

On a weekend when so much discussion has been about male aggression and so many turn on a poster who is fearful of man who has been convicted of manslaughter you couldn’t make it up

Pub fights are nearly always exacerbated by alcohol/drugs. Manslaughter says there was no intent to kill the other man. It's tragic that someone has lost their life but maybe it was partial self defence? Maybe the other fella was known to be extremely violent or had one something?

If there are signs he could be a problem for you and your family then you're not being unreasonable. Chances are this man will just want to move on with his life and not want to attract attention.