To think that most men do respect women

[katieloves]

I’m concerned about the vilification of men that we’re hearing a lot about. I know there’s some men who disrespect women and this absolutely needs to stop, but equally I’ve witnessed women being equally disrespectful to men. I’ve seen plenty of women feeling up men etc. on a night out and it being laughed off. If this was reversed it would be considered assault. It feels like all men are being accused of treating women badly and I just don’t see it.

But therefore why am I accused of being a misognystic woman hater by calling our some of the appalling behaviour by women on these threads?

Because “women on this thread” is not the same as “women as a class”?

🤷🏻‍♀️ I don’t know? I haven’t called you a misogynist- but I have zero time for namalting when male violence towards women results in the assault and death of women.

The inability to argue a point without resorting to aggression. Belittling and bullying those with a different point of view.
Pack mentality, sneering and putting others down when they dare to disagree.

Sound familiar??

Hello @supercee

Firstly, I'm impressed you know so much about my views, given you are completely wrong about the sex I am.

As troll hunting is banned, is calling someone a man when they're not also banned?

The place to discuss these issues is not at the same time we are discussing male violence against women
Except this thread was about how most men are respectful, not about those who are violent but it didn't take long to turn it yet into an all male bashing thread.

PMSL at @RootyT00t accusing me of bullying a poster (dontdisturbmenow,) off the thread!

'BYE then!' was the only thing I said to her! I had had no communication with her at ALL.

At least get your facts straight @RootyT00t You are looking incredibly silly on here now, and are embarrassing yourself.

Now jog on eh? I can't be arsed with you. You're not worth the effort. Just clearing my name, after your attempts to slur it.

Bye then!

As I (and a number of others have now said,) I don't know why people are still engaging with RootyT00t. He is enjoying every minute. Don't take the bait.

How interesting posters believe they the only reason you are against the toxic aggressive feminist women on here is because you must be a man.

@dontdisturbmenow

women hating I like men and women. I dislike men who think all -or most- women are the source of all their troubles. I also dislike women who believe the world would be better without men.

Thankfully in real life both groups are a minority.

At some point though, we as a society are going to have to address the problem of male violence and toxic masculinity, regardless of how many people are offended by that conversation. I think now would be a good time to do that.

I didn't ask what it's not.

What do you think it is? And you you think it is as big a societal issue as misogyny?

We aren't offended by the conversation. We are offended by the way it is had.

Ah ha, couldn't stay away eh @dontdisturbmenow ?

Wanna apologise to me now @RootyT00t ???

Nah I thought not! Men don't like to admit they're wrong, and HATE to apologise.

I forgive you anyway.

'BYE then!' was the only thing I said to her!
The point of that was?

The vulnerability comes from very different places, doesn’t it. One of the reasons for the high rates of male suicide is without doubt the drive for western men to be alpha, to never show “weakness”. This comes out in many, many toxic ways
I disagree with tbesex reasons. Never heard them stated in any reports on make suicides.

@RootyT00t

We aren't offended by the conversation. We are offended by the way it is had.

I don’t think that matters though. Regardless, it’s a conversation we as a society need to have. Looking for reasons not to have the conversation doesn’t help anyone.

You don't see it? Count yourself lucky.

@BrumBoo

Well, that someone with different views to yourself deserves no credibility, despite being a woman.

There's 'different' views and there are views that are actively trying to discourage women for calling out the fact that it men/male sex that is categorically and overwhelmingly the issue of abuse, violence and murder in this world. And that we should be more understanding of men because obviously they have their 'mental health issues' or some other excuse as to why we cannot call it out for what it is. The latter is not only unhelpful to the situation, it is actively keeping the situation going as it is, because it implies 'poor men' can't help themselves and we should put up with it and 'be kind'.

You have zero counter arguments as to why men are not the problem, you don't seem to deny that men as a very high percentage are the instigators of abuse against both women and men, yet for some reason you're trying to make it a women’s problem and suggest we are the ones being awful here. How you can you see that men cause the issue but still be here lecturing us about misandry is beyond me.

I have lots of counter arguments but each one gets rebuffed as whataboutery.

Don't you dare imply I think men should.continue raping and murdering woman and we should put up and be kind. That is absolutely disgusting and appalling and I am tempted to report.

That aside, I absolutely accept that male violence is an issue.

But I do think the way you present the issue here on MN is repeatedly awful.

@Pumperthepumper

I'm not saying we shouldn't have it.

toxic aggressive feminist women on here
Aka female posters who have no time for people hijacking discussions about male violence to women by saying:
NAMALT
what about the men
But men...
But this issue about men...
You all hate men
Look at you nasty women
Meanie toxic aggressive feminists

@littlepattilou

Ah ha, couldn't stay away eh *@dontdisturbmenow* ?

Wanna apologise to me now @RootyT00t ???

Nah I thought not! Men don't like to admit they're wrong, and HATE to apologise.

I forgive you anyway.

I'm not a man, but you are disgusting.

I would never apologise to you in a million years, you are a bully.

So Rooty why don't you actually answer my questions.

Not one person on this thread has said that male on male violence is not a problem.

Not one person on this thread has said they hate men.

You are accusing women of misandry with no evidence whatsoever whilst failing to engage with reasonable points that women are making.

So leaving women out of this for a minute so as not to be falsely accused of only talking about violence against women, how does one address the issue of male on male violence, which as you point out is also a problem, without upsetting mens feelings or affecting their mental health?

@dontdisturbmenow

The vulnerability comes from very different places, doesn’t it. One of the reasons for the high rates of male suicide is without doubt the drive for western men to be alpha, to never show “weakness”. This comes out in many, many toxic ways I disagree with tbesex reasons. Never heard them stated in any reports on make suicides.

Do you mean individual suicide reports for that victim? Or do you mean reasons given by male charities? Because I assure you, any male-centred mental health charity will absolutely talk about the massive problem of toxic masculinity and how insidious it is.

@littlepattilou

Ah ha, couldn't stay away eh *@dontdisturbmenow* ?

Wanna apologise to me now @RootyT00t ???

Nah I thought not! Men don't like to admit they're wrong, and HATE to apologise.

I forgive you anyway.

You also said that another one had gone and was no great loss.

YABU, look at the facts, most men watch porn for a start. You can't respect someone and watch their degradation, abuse and rape for pleasure. I'm not sure which men you've met but the vast majority of the males I have met show disrespect for women even if they openly say they respect them.

I disagree with tbesex reasons. Never heard them stated in any reports on make suicides

Loads of charities who specifically support male suicide have reported that toxic masculinity (or which that “alpha male” thing is a huge part) are a big driver in suicide figures.

Anyway - this isn’t the thread to discuss this on I don’t think! Happy to join a thread if you want to start one though.

@lifeturnsonadime

So Rooty why don't you actually answer my questions.

Not one person on this thread has said that male on male violence is not a problem.

Not one person on this thread has said they hate men.

You are accusing women of misandry with no evidence whatsoever whilst failing to engage with reasonable points that women are making.

So leaving women out of this for a minute so as not to be falsely accused of only talking about violence against women, how does one address the issue of male on male violence, which as you point out is also a problem, without upsetting mens feelings or affecting their mental health?

I have never said that they have said either of those things.

I'm not really sure what you're asking me. All crime should be dealt with the same way.

@littlepattilou, try to be nice. It does women no favours when they behave as you do here.

Why the need to be purposely and personally unpleasant?