To think that most men do respect women

[katieloves]

I’m concerned about the vilification of men that we’re hearing a lot about. I know there’s some men who disrespect women and this absolutely needs to stop, but equally I’ve witnessed women being equally disrespectful to men. I’ve seen plenty of women feeling up men etc. on a night out and it being laughed off. If this was reversed it would be considered assault. It feels like all men are being accused of treating women badly and I just don’t see it.

The only thing that has been highlighted here, as ever, is that whatever side you take, however you argue about it, the answer is still the same. Men are the problem for women, men are the problem for other men, men are a problem to themselves.

You can call us mean, or misandrist or uncaring to point this out but it doesn't change that truth. This truth doesn't make it a woman's problem to sort, we have been 'kind and understanding' of the male sex and their inherent need of piss taking, cruelty, abuse and violence for too long. Enough is enough, it's time the male sex took responsibility for how their actions effect the whole of humanity without expecting women to go 'there there, the world is mean to you as well'. We are not here to make it better for men or be understanding of their behaviour when it has a negative effect on us.

@LolaSmiles

Well, I don't think misogny is half as prevalent, and those who bandy it are just as nasty as some of the men we speak of, but there we are. Yes, individual women standing up for women's rights and safety is very nasty.

They wouldn't care.
They'd just jump on to remind us it's a male problem
(Plays worlds finest violin)

Men really are the victims in your world.

See what I mean?

Your flippancy about 86 dead men a week is OK, is it?

A handful of posts above yours are the folk on your side claiming if the thread was about men we'd support them, we just don't in women's. Based threads.

My arse.

Men are the victims, of certain things, in the real world, not in the MN echo chambers where women are victims and men are monsters. Thankfully I don't live in that world.

@BrumBoo

The only thing that has been highlighted here, as ever, is that whatever side you take, however you argue about it, the answer is still the same. Men are the problem for women, men are the problem for other men, men are a problem to themselves.

You can call us mean, or misandrist or uncaring to point this out but it doesn't change that truth. This truth doesn't make it a woman's problem to sort, we have been 'kind and understanding' of the male sex and their inherent need of piss taking, cruelty, abuse and violence for too long. Enough is enough, it's time the male sex took responsibility for how their actions effect the whole of humanity without expecting women to go 'there there, the world is mean to you as well'. We are not here to make it better for men or be understanding of their behaviour when it has a negative effect on us.

And how's that going for you? Well?

How do you balance this with the gender pay disparity, domestic violence data and lived experience of every woman? Honestly - I’m trying to see and empathise with your view. I have sons - I don’t think they are automatically cursed to grow up to be vile woman-abusing rapists. I know no women who have been abused, raped, coerced by other women (this isn’t me denying abuse happens in same sex female relationships), but I do know personally dozens of women who have been damaged by men. It comes back to the power dynamic - women start playing the game with it stacked against them and arguing that men are the victims is like claiming that children who are abused are not because there have been cases of child on child violence. I am really struggling to understand your perspective

@LolaSmiles

I was talking to my DH about this and he put it brilliantly: if people trying to hijack a discussion about male violence against women wanted to campaign to raise awareness about the fact men are disproportionately affected by suicide than women then they would be donating to relevant charities, campaigning for mental health campaigns and leading a life that normalises men talking about their emotions - not trying to take over a discussion about male violence to women. The fact most of them won't be taking action on men's mental health suggests their main motivation is to silence women.

Very well said your DH!

Blowing hot air, chatting shit, and trying to rile people up. That's all these (small amount of) woman haters are here for. They do it as a hobby. I can't take them seriously.

The virtue signalling crew, and the NAMALT brigade do pop up occasionally. They're best ignored.

[quote littlepattilou]@LolaSmiles

I was talking to my DH about this and he put it brilliantly: if people trying to hijack a discussion about male violence against women wanted to campaign to raise awareness about the fact men are disproportionately affected by suicide than women then they would be donating to relevant charities, campaigning for mental health campaigns and leading a life that normalises men talking about their emotions - not trying to take over a discussion about male violence to women. The fact most of them won't be taking action on men's mental health suggests their main motivation is to silence women.

Very well said your DH!

Blowing hot air, chatting shit, and trying to rile people up. That's all these (small amount of) woman haters are here for. They do it as a hobby. I can't take them seriously.

The virtue signalling crew, and the NAMALT brigade do pop up occasionally. They're best ignored. [/quote]
Yes, ignore them. Just have an echo chamber where we all congratulate each other. What a fabulous idea.

Incidentally, we don't hate woman. We just don't like the likes of you. That must be a different concept for you guys who have an ego the size you do to be able to police these boards and tell other posters to ignore is.

Incidentally, speaking of virtue signalling, that is exactly what this DH is doing.

My post was a response to posters going in about how women are victimised by our healthcare system. I evidence that the healthcare system are letting down suicidal, mainly young men

My apologies don’t it wasn’t clear that your statement about male suicide was connected to the discussion about healthcare.

The NHS recognised that women are being let down by the healthcare system and are currently launching a service wide initiative about this, so they seem to agree there’s an issue.

There is nothing that isx emotional blackmail in my post. Implying it is of really poor taste

As you’re so passionate about male suicide as a cause, would you like the details of organisations that support this area or are you already involved in it?

@SmileEachDay

My post was a response to posters going in about how women are victimised by our healthcare system. I evidence that the healthcare system are letting down suicidal, mainly young men

My apologies don’t it wasn’t clear that your statement about male suicide was connected to the discussion about healthcare.

The NHS recognised that women are being let down by the healthcare system and are currently launching a service wide initiative about this, so they seem to agree there’s an issue.

There is nothing that isx emotional blackmail in my post. Implying it is of really poor taste

As you’re so passionate about male suicide as a cause, would you like the details of organisations that support this area or are you already involved in it?

Are each of the posters on the other side doing anything for murdered women or just mouthing off on here at anyone who dares to speak against them?

Men are the victims, of certain things, in the real world, not in the MN echo chambers where women are victims and men are monsters.

But men, on the whole, are not victims of women.

@LolaSmiles kudos to DH

In these threads, the only ones doing the harassing, bullying, pile ons are not the NAMALT 'group'. It's the same names time and time again determined to turn MN into a dictatorship.

They say enough?

So do we.

And how's that going for you? Well?

Not giving a shit about the female sex has worked brilliantly for millenia for men. Perhaps women should give it a try.

In your professional knowledge then, will I assume misandry' is not a real thing?

You would assume wrong. The difference is the impact ... the impact and consequences of misogyny is more dangerous and far reaching. You can't compare the two.
The consequences of misogyny are huge numbers of women being killed, raped, sexually harassed and are women facing systemic inequality across all aspects of their lives.

@BrumBoo

And how's that going for you? Well?

Not giving a shit about the female sex has worked brilliantly for millenia for men. Perhaps women should give it a try.

But you only give a shit about the female sex if they follow your agenda. You've proved that.

@TheJerkStore

In your professional knowledge then, will I assume misandry' is not a real thing?

You would assume wrong. The difference is the impact ... the impact and consequences of misogyny is more dangerous and far reaching. You can't compare the two.
The consequences of misogyny are huge numbers of women being killed, raped, sexually harassed and are women facing systemic inequality across all aspects of their lives.

What are the consequences of misandry'?

It's the same names time and time again determined to turn MN into a dictatorship

How so? You’re not being stopped from posting. I think it’s total bullshit, you probs think the same about my posts. 🤷🏻‍♀️

Incidentally, speaking of virtue signalling, that is exactly what this DH is doing.

I see so women talking about male pattern violence to women are mean nasty women who hate men.

But when a man talks about male pattern violence against women and believes men can, and should, take a stand then that is virtue signalling.

🤣🤣🤣

You've said yourself that issues like this don't need centring, misogyny isn't that prevalent, that women on several threads are unpleasant for standing up for women's safety, and that having a discussion about male violence against women is 'using' someone's death.

In other words you don't seem to want much discussion about male pattern violence against woman.

I think ultimately the world at large still believes that women being murdered by men is a woman-centred issue, one for women to solve. And the only way we can flip that attitude is to have conversations about male violence, toxic masculinity, male domination and male entitlement. And the last few days have shown that the world is not ready to do that. Which is absolutely heartbreaking. Think how many lives (male and female) could be saved if we were.

@SmileEachDay

It's the same names time and time again determined to turn MN into a dictatorship

How so? You’re not being stopped from posting. I think it’s total bullshit, you probs think the same about my posts. 🤷🏻‍♀️

Not you. Have a look at the threads on these topics running, and you will spot the same names popping up telling people to ignore certain posters, and congratulating themselves on how clever they are to have made people leave the thread.

@RootyT00t

In these threads, the only ones doing the harassing, bullying, pile ons are not the NAMALT 'group'. It's the same names time and time again determined to turn MN into a dictatorship.

They say enough?

So do we.

Who is we, here, exactly? Women who apparently believe that the real victims of the current system are white men? The system was set up by them and is passionately protected by them - I struggle to believe that somehow, the boys club miraculously leaves the boys in the cold..,

@RootyT00t

Please start a thread on something I can get behind like male suicide for example. I genuinely don’t think you presented an alternative POV or debate here that is credible.

[quote Twintub]@RootyT00t

Please start a thread on something I can get behind like male suicide for example. I genuinely don’t think you presented an alternative POV or debate here that is credible.[/quote]
Have I not? What's not credible about it?

I think ultimately the world at large still believes that women being murdered by men is a woman-centred issue, one for women to solve. And the only way we can flip that attitude is to have conversations about male violence, toxic masculinity, male domination and male entitlement. And the last few days have shown that the world is not ready to do that. Which is absolutely heartbreaking. Think how many lives (male and female) could be saved if we were

Completely agree Pumper.

It all being with “Why was she out so late”...

@OppsUpsSide

Deleted for acknowledging suicide is a violent act sorry to disappoint anyone naive enough not to realise this. I have never witnessed a suicide that was non violent, to peddle the line that suicide is a non violent act is disgraceful.

I'd imagine you had multiple reports for that one.