To think that most men do respect women

[katieloves]

I’m concerned about the vilification of men that we’re hearing a lot about. I know there’s some men who disrespect women and this absolutely needs to stop, but equally I’ve witnessed women being equally disrespectful to men. I’ve seen plenty of women feeling up men etc. on a night out and it being laughed off. If this was reversed it would be considered assault. It feels like all men are being accused of treating women badly and I just don’t see it.

@dontdisturbmenow

Just to add, males account for 3/4 of all suicides.

And?

I’m curious as to what aspect of their experience you feel needs your protection and you to speak up for them?.
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It's actually quite upsetting and not cricket they your only contribution to a topic is to attempt to yet again discredit me, @BrumBoo. I am far from the only poster across these threads with the views I have yet time and time again you do this. It's not really within the spirit of the site or the rules and could really be constituted as harassing me, you and the other two who continue to do it since our original disagreement months ago.

However, do you know how many prostate cancer deaths could have prevented?

Loads if men engaged more in screening rather than avoidance

That's a very different thing

Just to add, males account for 3/4 of all suicides

What the fuck?

Using suicide as a gotcha is just...wow.

Start a thread about male suicide and I’ll join it, banging a loud drum to the tune of “toxic masculinity is the main reason behind this”

Don’t come on a thread that was triggered by the murder of Sarah Everard and use other incredibly tragic deaths as emotional blackmail.

You absolute cabbage.

I don’t think it is really fair to call suicide disgusting.

Well out of 4 men I know well only 1 is respectful. The other 3 have disrespected women either verbally, physically or via the viewing of porn (I know all of this for a fact/witnessed). That's 25% of immediate small sample who would be considered as respectful sadly. Another one has just sprung to mind but it is more in his attitude of where a woman should be etc. and how he treats her via her actions.

And every man who has done it will have a woman somewhere saying "he would never do something like that, he's a good guy, he respects women".

And this could have been me previously unfortunately.

Whilst I know that some women can certainly be disrespectful, the highest proportion by far seem to be men.

@Londonmummy66. Completely agree. It's probably an example of "strategic incompetence" but I'd add to your list every man who lets his wife carry the household on the basis that "she's better at all that stuff than I am". Just because one partner is "better at" changing beds, cleaning floors or folding laundry doesn't mean they should be left to do it all .

his actions not her actions.

Incredible, I'm out. This place is toxic and utterly depressing.

3/4 of male committing suicide and that yield a 'and?', and that itself inflicted.

Yet, Piers got sacked for implying he didn't believe Meghan was suicidal.

You really are no better. I think that will see me out of MN. It really portrays a very ugly picture of hypocrite women.

[quote BrumBoo]@littlepattilou they really don't and there's no point falling into any cycle of discussion with them.[/quote]
Agree BrumBoo.

I can't be arsed to engage with these GFs to be honest.

They know what they're doing.

Disappointed to see this Brumboo. I thought we'd moved past the wild accusations from you and your fellow regular posters of me being some sort of self indulgend wind up, the last thread we were on we managed perfectly civil debate again, I thought.

Yet here you are once again defending males when they continue to prove themselves dangerous to women. Of course it's 'not all men' that rape and murder, but it is the majority of the male sex who have a very confusing attitude as to what they think respecting women is. Mostly because most of them have been raised with a stereotypical or sexist idea of a women, so have very unrealistic expectations of us. It starts with thinking that women who don't behave as expected are 'bitches', 'Karens' or similar and grows from there.

Everything you ever post is 'but what about the men, what about their mental health??'. I'm very sorry its a confusing world for men right now, that the idea of being a man equates to being an all-alpha shit and they cannot cope when they either told 'no, being a 'man's man' is no longer ok' or that no, you cannot speak to women like shit just because they have an opinion they don't like. They feel like they're losing their status in the world, but unfortunately their status meant even more harm for women so yes, my sympathy is there but it is also limited.

@dontdisturbmenow Bye then.

@BrumBoo

Disappointed to see this Brumboo. I thought we'd moved past the wild accusations from you and your fellow regular posters of me being some sort of self indulgend wind up, the last thread we were on we managed perfectly civil debate again, I thought.

Yet here you are once again defending males when they continue to prove themselves dangerous to women. Of course it's 'not all men' that rape and murder, but it is the majority of the male sex who have a very confusing attitude as to what they think respecting women is. Mostly because most of them have been raised with a stereotypical or sexist idea of a women, so have very unrealistic expectations of us. It starts with thinking that women who don't behave as expected are 'bitches', 'Karens' or similar and grows from there.

Everything you ever post is 'but what about the men, what about their mental health??'. I'm very sorry its a confusing world for men right now, that the idea of being a man equates to being an all-alpha shit and they cannot cope when they either told 'no, being a 'man's man' is no longer ok' or that no, you cannot speak to women like shit just because they have an opinion they don't like. They feel like they're losing their status in the world, but unfortunately their status meant even more harm for women so yes, my sympathy is there but it is also limited.

Why didn't you say that in the first place instead of turning up on threads to paint me out to be not even worth engaging with? Do you not think that was below the belt?

Let's move on.

It's not that everything I post is what about the men, but I do challenge sexism or frankly absurd statements when I see them. That is my right

dontdisturbmenow

You are using suicide as a gotcha.

Your moral high horse galloped off some time ago.

@littlepattilou in that interaction between you and disturb, they don't come across the GF. You do.

What we are doing is challenging your echo chambers. Don't like it? Tough.

@dontdisturbmenow

Incredible, I'm out. This place is toxic and utterly depressing.

3/4 of male committing suicide and that yield a 'and?', and that itself inflicted.

Yet, Piers got sacked for implying he didn't believe Meghan was suicidal.

You really are no better. I think that will see me out of MN. It really portrays a very ugly picture of hypocrite women.

You are so right

@dontdisturbmenow

Incredible, I'm out. This place is toxic and utterly depressing.

3/4 of male committing suicide and that yield a 'and?', and that itself inflicted.

Yet, Piers got sacked for implying he didn't believe Meghan was suicidal.

You really are no better. I think that will see me out of MN. It really portrays a very ugly picture of hypocrite women.

If you knew anything about male suicide you’d know there are huge issues around violence - men are more likely to use violent methods and are more likely therefor to be successful. It’s a huge issue and one that male-centred mental Heath charities do their best to address.

The fact this is a surprise to you leads me to agree with the previous poster who said you were here for the gotcha. It’s all part of the same issue.

What the fuck?

Using suicide as a gotcha is just...wow.

Start a thread about male suicide and I’ll join it, banging a loud drum to the tune of “toxic masculinity is the main reason behind this”

Don’t come on a thread that was triggered by the murder of Sarah Everard and use other incredibly tragic deaths as emotional blackmail.

You absolute cabbage
Very, very well said.

I was talking to my DH about this and he put it brilliantly: if people trying to hijack a discussion about male violence against women wanted to campaign to raise awareness about the fact men are disproportionately affected by suicide than women then they would be donating to relevant charities, campaigning for mental health campaigns and leading a life that normalises men talking about their emotions - not trying to take over a discussion about male violence to women. The fact most of them won't be taking action on men's mental health suggests their main motivation is to silence women.

@SmileEachDay

dontdisturbmenow

You are using suicide as a gotcha.

Your moral high horse galloped off some time ago.

As opposed to the posters using murder as a gotcha.

I am sorry it had upset you but suicide by its very nature is both self inflicted and violent.

I know a few who do. The majority of men do not, sadly.

Abuse, specifically sexual abuse, runs on a paradigm. Many, many fall into the ranks of 'casual sexism'. However, there seems to be a growing trend for erasing women and degradation of women's rights. Incels are one such group. The operate underground, but I believe the www is unfortunately giving this movement great speed and vigour.

Why didn't you say that in the first place instead of turning up on threads to paint me out to be not even worth engaging with?

Because (I'm my humble opinion) you're not worth it. With this and the sex vs gender issue, you only ever want to play the whattaboutry game, and others are picking up on it.