To think that most men do respect women

[katieloves]

I’m concerned about the vilification of men that we’re hearing a lot about. I know there’s some men who disrespect women and this absolutely needs to stop, but equally I’ve witnessed women being equally disrespectful to men. I’ve seen plenty of women feeling up men etc. on a night out and it being laughed off. If this was reversed it would be considered assault. It feels like all men are being accused of treating women badly and I just don’t see it.

It's true sometimes my dick does some thinking

But then my brain kicks in.

@Coffeeandcocopops

I have also had similar with my lovely DS too.

Even in an area of healthcare where the needs of women and babies should be foremost, they are literally dying because of an underfunded, patriarchal system that belittles women's suffering and denies them a voice
What utter nonsense! Women are not literally dying because of patriarch system. It's actually quite ironic as more Jan more women are taking leadership roles in the NHS, probably more than any other sectors.

That and that most maternity units are led and managed by...women!

Sadly too many 'feminist' women who are so desperate to see themselves as victims, they convinced themselves it's everywhere they go.

It's easy to blame men for everything you're not happy with, especially when it doesn't much for that person to be unhappy.

Don't be ridiculous this isn't about respect. Of course lots of men respect women. It's about a culture that raises a good proportion of men to attack, molest and sometimes kill women. We obviously have a problem with attacks on women. Perhaps if women were the stronger sex there would be more attacks on men by women. But we're not, and so there's not. It's absolutely right to draw attention to this and clamour for change.

@AgathaAllAlong

Don't be ridiculous this isn't about respect. Of course lots of men respect women. It's about a culture that raises a good proportion of men to attack, molest and sometimes kill women. We obviously have a problem with attacks on women. Perhaps if women were the stronger sex there would be more attacks on men by women. But we're not, and so there's not. It's absolutely right to draw attention to this and clamour for change.

Who raises men to attack women?

@dontdisturbmenow

Even in an area of healthcare where the needs of women and babies should be foremost, they are literally dying because of an underfunded, patriarchal system that belittles women's suffering and denies them a voice What utter nonsense! Women are not literally dying because of patriarch system. It's actually quite ironic as more Jan more women are taking leadership roles in the NHS, probably more than any other sectors.

That and that most maternity units are led and managed by...women!

Sadly too many 'feminist' women who are so desperate to see themselves as victims, they convinced themselves it's everywhere they go.

It's easy to blame men for everything you're not happy with, especially when it doesn't much for that person to be unhappy.

A bit more brutal than I'd have put it, and I think you'll get flamed for that, but certainly going by MN I don't think you're all wrong.

What utter nonsense! Women are not literally dying because of patriarch system. It's actually quite ironic as more Jan more women are taking leadership roles in the NHS, probably more than any other sectors

Then you might want to consider the mortality figures associated with maternity. And there are other areas such as cardiology where mis-diagnosis and missed diagnoses lead to poorer outcomes for women. Invisible Women has helped a number of women understand how 'male by default' is damaging their healthcare.

The efforts of individuals count for relatively little when it's the system that is the source of oppression.

If women on MN cannot agree then govt and society will never achieve proper equality and respect for all.

@Coffeeandcocopops

If women on MN cannot agree then govt and society will never achieve proper equality and respect for all.

The thing is , women will never agree because the women who are footstamping and enough is enough and are brutal feminists who tear apart anyone who has a slightly different viewpoint will never listen to those who can see both sides, and vice versa.

@Chanjer yes I think all men would probably agree they do think with their dick often and hopefully the brain kicks in. I think it’s a little unfair as that’s an inbuilt man thing in a way that women often get a pass for losing our shit during our periods. We both control it in the main before anything serious happens but we can’t always control it completely. I congratulate myself every month for not bodily harming anyone :-)

Another stick to beat women with if only those louder women would be a little quieter 🙄 so the men and women that support men can tell them how it is

I don't hate men. I have a son, I have brothers, I have loved men. But I would say out of my 4 brothers only one TRULY respects women. The others believe they are respecting them enough, as they don't really deserve the same respect as a man but enough. My best friend is a man, a good man. He is a ally, he would never say #notallmen, because he already knows it isn't. It's the equivalent of #alllivesmatter. He has conversations and calls out his male acquaintances when they think they're being respectful. For example, he works on a building site and the men often speak about women they have had sex with, say how they won't see her again because she was easy, or fat. The mothers of these men don't know this is going on and probably think they are respectful.

I have an ex who treated me so respectfully. He treated his mum well and didn't ever seem the type to catcall etc.
But he also found it hard to believe when I shared my experiences, saying it must be a tiny minority who go through what I go through. He even witnessed it on a night out together, hand up my skirt. When I said ' oh, it happens almost every night I'm out' he felt I was exaggerating. That is not an ally, he felt the behaviour was so rare it wasn't worth addressing. And that's how they are getting away with it.

It isn't all men....but it is too many.

@RootyT00t brutal feminists that’s a load of bollocks sorry . I actually agree that woman categorically should not get away with similar behaviour. If you started a thread on that I’d be on it agreeing with you.

I’m not foot stamping or a raging feminist but I can see the balance is tipped in men’s favour no question about it.

@debbiegotthejobandwelldone

and I am so tired of people like you FinnualaLikesChocolate so full of hatred and bitterness you fight so hard to brainwash girls into being victims, oppressed, inferiors

Why are you so angry that women are trying to highlight that too many of us have been a victim of harassment (in many forms) by males?

@HeathIns

I’m reading some of the threads on here today and misandry is definitely alive and well.

Misandry? When women are murdering 3 men every week in the UK, as they are us, we can have a conversation about misandry.

To all of you aggressively shouting that ALL men are violent, porn obsessed, raping, murdering misogynists you really do nothing for the cause. You’re actually really offensive.

In my culture, most men find women tolerable especially if they are useful to them - if their use is particularly skilled or worthwhile they might head to respect. Otherwise I think they are largely indifferent to women if they have no use. A minority are abusive but dont get called out on it.

Some cultures are not respectful of women. All those child marriages and dangerous births.

There isn’t two sides to this argument though is there ?

Fact there is high numbers of incidents in our society of male violence towards females

There is no other side to the argument as I don’t think you are going so low in claiming some of the violence is justified (or maybe you are)

@katieloves

To all of you aggressively shouting that ALL men are violent, porn obsessed, raping, murdering misogynists you really do nothing for the cause. You’re actually really offensive.

Well if they were I could see your point. But they're not.

Who shouted all men are ? @katieloves

I think overwhelming people are saying it’s not all men but there is a deep rooted inequality from men as a whole group not on an individual basis. No one is suggesting that all men are murdering raping dickheads

Abuse is about asymmetric power dynamics and they're asymmetric in the many relationships that people have.

The men in these examples provided security for some women but attacked others.

To all of you aggressively shouting that ALL men

So, nobody?

What utter nonsense! Women are not literally dying because of patriarch system.

Yes they are. Many wholly avoidable maternal deaths occur because women are not listened to. Maternity services as a whole are chronically underfunded to the point where women often give birth in unsafe conditions. Difficult to argue that this is a society which values women.

supercee

I am not sure I am angry, I am just fighting for my girls to have their place in society, as I do, and not being dragged down by the bitter haters.

I like that women are taken seriously and as equal. I don't like people who try to damage this.

That pathetic attitude is the worst enemy of equality and women rights.

Apparently ALL men watch porn, ALL our dss say they respect women but don’t really etc etc etc. Try and say anything good about men and there’s outrage. It’s all over this thread.