Davina McCall's tweet

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Davina McCall tweeted that female abduction / murder is extremely rare and that this level of fearmongering isn't good for men's mental health.

I don't understand why she is attempting to shift the narrative back to how men are feeling after yet another woman's life has been brutally ended BY A MAN.

For fuck's sake, Davina, we have a prominent voice this week, a huge platform to raise awareness about how most of us have to make so many micro- and macro-adjustments to allow for men's violence and here you are, putting men's health in the centre of all this.

Am I being unreasonable in thinking she should apologise and remove her tweet?

This awful awful crime should be discussed from a male violence against women angle
You mean VIOLENT males which reduces the pool significantly. That would be ok.

Targeting all men, discriminatory and doing exactly what women are fighting against. Really doing no justice to women at all.

It's her view and in our free democracy she is entitled to say it.
I dont agree with her.

You mean like Meghan? You're ok with all those whose opinion of her us that she should have kept quiet?

Not the same at all. Meghan and Harry told their side of the story knowing full well the royal family weren’t in a position to give theirs.

By posting on Twitter Davina is opening up debate.

Her tweet was stupid. It really was. Women being murdered isn’t rare, it happens every 2-3 days I believe, although it’s usually someone the woman in question knows. Now is not the time to be concerning ourselves with how that makes men feel and how this fact that women are getting murdered hurts their feelings. To put it bluntly, I don’t fucking care. I have a son, a boyfriend and a brother. None of them are fuckwits who have made this about themselves anyway.

However, these are Davina’s views. I don’t think she should remove her tweet and she definitely shouldn’t be getting abuse from anyone. I’ve seen replies to her telling her she is misinformed and why that is. I think it’s better to educate each other.

It really disappoints me when some women make terrible things that have happened to other women all about the men “because terrible things happen to them too” or “NAMALT” etc. They’re wasting their time frankly. The men who make everything about themselves don’t need women to help them do that. They’d honestly be better off doing something more worthwhile with their time.

Here’s an interesting article on it.

Also men are much more likely to be killed by a stranger, approx 30 percent to men, a third of that to women. And these stats inc terrorist attacks.

news.sky.com/story/off-limits-who-is-most-likely-to-kill-you-11734990

@Acesulfame

I don’t necessarily agree with the tweet but I’m unclear why you think she should apologise and delete it. You disagree with it so it shouldn’t exist? She’s entitled to her opinion and to express it. You’re entitled to disagree. That’s that really isn’t it?

This this, absolutely this.

I think the ‘cancel culture’ is very disturbing.
Surely as adults we can accept that we all have different views, and some people might have abhorrent views, but in a free and democratic society, they are absolutely entitled to them.

Is it me or have there been numerous threads on Mumsnet this week about twitter posts? I don't understand why the Ops don't respond on twitter.

@Theluggage15

Davina said a few years ago that women should keep their men satisfied or risk them committing adultery. I have zero interest in any ‘advice’ given by her.

I missed that one but am not surprised.

Again; didn't exactly work for her, did it.

Bluntness so why this case? What's different about it? I'm genuinely interested to know what's different about this one that's made so much press compared with other murder victims...who deserve just as much attention. Any ideas?

My son/husband/nephews are not dangerous men they are kind and compassionate men and are just as shocked at the murder of this lovely young woman as you or I.

The men in my life are good too. That’s why they don’t feel the need to say ‘it’s not all men’. They realise it takes the focus off women and don’t want to do that.

She comes across as some sort of odd surrendered wife type who happens to be v successful in the presenting business.

I don't know if she's always been like that or got sort of brain washed in what sounds retrospectively like quite an emotionally abusive relationship with her ex, where she was always trying to counter balance his "emasculation".

I do agree with freedom.of speech and being entitled to an opinion, but really, to post that tweet in the wake of yet another woman's murder, and to use her massive profile to do this, in this instance, I do think it merits an apology. Shifting the narrative back to men and us women having to be mindful of our behaviour unless we upset their mental health has pissed me off no end. She's holding women to account, so yes, I do want her to delete the tweet and apologise.

Also you can't have the same debate on twitter.

Yes, and what you want is what you want. I doubt that Davina lives her life based around what you want.

You, like her, are entitled to your opinion. You disagree with her, and that's your prerogative.

But in essence, what you're saying is that you agree with free speech, as long as what is being said agrees with your opinion.

Davina said a few years ago that women should keep their men satisfied or risk them committing adultery.

I posted this earlier. She said that women should keep their men happy in the bedroom no matter how exhausted they feel, to stop the man cheating. That says quite a lot about her and also her ‘man’.....a man that is happy for an absolutely exhausted woman to have sex with him otherwise he’d have to go and fuck someone else.

There is nothing in the tweet that breaks the law, there is nothing in the tweet that can be construed as the ever expanding definition of hate campaign. Do we now have to apologise for having any view?

You shouldn't need to say not all men, because everyone knows it's not all men but it's enough men. Enough men hurting women. The stats are not showing the men are the majority getting raped/assaulted/murdered by the hands of women.
Men should be understanding enough to get that this is about women. Not about men. I don't know why people keep going on about the curfew as if it was serious, she was making a point and she proved it. Men shot down the idea that a curfew should apply to them, but yet women are told not to go out after dark alone, so it's fine for women to have that curfew.
She can have her opinion and I can respectfully disagree with it.

I'm quite glad when people tweet shite like that. It shows you who they are. Davina, iirc, also believes that if you don't wear matching underwear your husband is entitled to have an affair.

Maybe she's concerned with men's mental health because of the high rate in suicide in men.

It’s not about the fact that her views are unreasonable it’s about the timing.
Imagine your black friend is telling you about the lifetime of racism she has faced.
Would you listen and try and learn or would you pipe up with ‘oh I’m not racist’?
It may well be true but would come across as minimising what had happened to her.

Ha, as if she'll have to delete her tweet or fear being cancelled. She's taken the NAMALT side! The side that does the cancelling and that grown adults fear and use careful words for. The side that yammers about freedom of speech but silences women who say mean things against men.

I agree with her. You can't vilify a whole section of society for the actions of a minority.

Also, anyone who demands that someone else's views be deleted should not be allowed to use social media.

This is just my opinion, but -
She did everything "right". The culture is always to try to find something to blame the victim for doing or not doing. So the narrative is always along the lines of what the victim was wearing/why was she walking alone at night/did she phone her friend/relative/ did she avoid deserted routes etc etc. There is nothing to find fault with in this case, even in the current culture of victim blaming.

The second point is that the perpetrator is a police officer. Someone we are told we can trust to keep us safe.

@FortunesFave

Bluntness so why this case? What's different about it? I'm genuinely interested to know what's different about this one that's made so much press compared with other murder victims...who deserve just as much attention. Any ideas?

It seems when people ask this, most expect the answer to be because she's white, middle class and pretty. However She did everything correctly to protect herself and still was murdered, by a policeman. It's yet another murder and women have had enough, you can do all the 'rules' to keep women safe and it's still not enough.