Davina McCall's tweet

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Davina McCall tweeted that female abduction / murder is extremely rare and that this level of fearmongering isn't good for men's mental health.

I don't understand why she is attempting to shift the narrative back to how men are feeling after yet another woman's life has been brutally ended BY A MAN.

For fuck's sake, Davina, we have a prominent voice this week, a huge platform to raise awareness about how most of us have to make so many micro- and macro-adjustments to allow for men's violence and here you are, putting men's health in the centre of all this.

Am I being unreasonable in thinking she should apologise and remove her tweet?

Exactly Fortuneseve

I think she is completely wrong to draw the focus away from women. This incident is tragic and because of the nature of it, it should lead to the discussion of how women's lives are curtailed. It's interesting the shock and horror around the idea of a curfew for men when most women have to have a type of self imposed curfew. Those are issues that need to be drawn into the open.

However I do not think she should delete and apologise. Social media does seem to lead to totalitarian thinking. Freedom of speech is so easily trampled down by the baying mob. It is a disaster for society.

Davina is entitled to her opinion but I totally disagree with her! This awful awful crime should be discussed from a male violence against women angle..... not a ‘poor men’ angle.... I despair as to why a high- ish profile women would make this ‘story’ about men??!!! Poor Sarah.

Yes you’re out of order she has a right to her opinion and her voice
Also she’s not wrong about what she said at the start of her tweet The rest of it wasn’t necessary though

It's funny that she says 'not ALL men' but also says 'we should ALL be vigilant when out alone.'

So it's ok that this violence and murder affects ALL women - but somehow it's unfair if it affects all men?

@Lovemusic33

And I don’t agree with the 6pm curfew, many rapes and attacks take place in daylight, many attacks take place at home. Why punish all men for the fact 1% of men have attacked or assaulted a woman?

The 6pm curfew is not a serious suggestion, but it is being pointed out that we as women are used to being advised not to go out alone after dark, but men are never told this.

When things sadly happen, some people always comment "well what on earth was she thinking walking alone down that dark lane." But it is not considered strange for men to walk alone at night.

Social media really is the worst thing that ever happened to us.

@FortunesFave

Apparently ONE woman is killed in the UK by a man every three days.

Some of those must be by people who know them by stats but some must be strangers.

So why has THIS case caught the attention of the media and public so much?

Possibly because it's a serving police officer who committed this crime? Because he had been let off a crime of indecent exposure three days before. This is why it will have more coverage than other similar crimes and because it's the police that have let all women down here by being as corrupt as hell and letting him off. Just let that sink in for a moment. Men backing up other men. I am beyond angry about this.

Exactly @georgarina.

As I said up thread, the poor men she is on about, scared to walk home at night, are not scared of women. They are rightly scared of male violence. Male violence is the issue. Changing the narrative to make it centre men as victims is deplorable imo, when a young woman has just lost her life at the hands of male violence.

The people saying women commit violent crime too. Have you seen the statistics on this? Look it up and tell us where you think the problem is.

We should all be careful when out alone whether male or female.

But, as other threads have documented, women are sexually harassed and assaulted by men an awful lot. So much so that the #notallmen tag really doesn't ring true. I mean, of course it won't be quite all men, a few wont, but it is the vast majority at some point in their lives - especially in their teens/twenties. These men that do it - most men - they people's brothers, sons, husbands. Why shouldn't it be bad for them to hear this from us

I’m sorry @BoomBoomsCousin but if you really believe this to be true you must have some truly awful family and friends in your life. Of course it’s not the majority of men. What a ridiculous statement.

Yes, of course the tweet should stand. We should be able to see who are the complete twats in this world.

She's an attention seeker. Lockdown has been hard for these celebrities. I think she has every right to her opinion but I always look at the motivation.

Absolutely this. Her views in general and how she conducts herself in some interviews I’ve seen are just 🙄

@FortunesFave

Apparently ONE woman is killed in the UK by a man every three days.

Some of those must be by people who know them by stats but some must be strangers.

So why has THIS case caught the attention of the media and public so much?

Because she was doing all the things women have been taught to do to keep themselves 'safe'. Bright clothing, different route, phoned a friend. She was just going from A to B.

When really women should be able to just be able to walk home, in whatever darkness, wearing whatever they like, having headphones on without fear.

The focus has always been on the woman to prevent something bad happening to her, when it should be on the perpetrator, who in situations like this is normally always A MAN.

Women have had enough. Davina popping up with this shite is like me popping up to tell BLM that 'my white life matters too'.

Doesn't help the cause AT ALL. I know not all men are murderers/rapists/abusers, but that's not the point folk are trying to make. This keeps getting lost.

She is entitled to say what she likes, but we are entitled to form our own opinions on her based on that. Freedom of speech is a basic right, but there will be consequences to what you choose to put out there
You mean like Meghan? You're ok with all those whose opinion of her us that she should have kept quiet?

Yanbu to disagree with her but yabu to expect her to delete her tweet and apologise. We don't live in a dictatorship and are allowed to disagree with each other.

Her post is asking women to be quiet and make it ok for men. How is that not silencing women?

Its worse than that. Its telling women to shut up because they are upsetting the poor men by talking about men's behaviour.

Presumably I should also tell birds to stop tweeting when my cat approaches in case it upsets my cat's feelings. She doesn't catch stuff after all. #NotAllCats

*Women killing pregnant women for their babies is statistically minuscule. Male murders by male strangers are not" muders is miniscule too, less so but still miniscule.

Do you cconsider ithat it's ok to put everyone in the same bag if statistics are miniscule as opposed to very miniscule?

Why should she delete and apologize for having a different opinion to you?

Davina said a few years ago that women should keep their men satisfied or risk them committing adultery. I have zero interest in any ‘advice’ given by her.

I think she's trying to say men also fear men. But she's not quite reached the point where she's articulated it - to herself or others.

It's a step that lots of people still have to take.

One of the interesting things about this moment is seeing how many people - mainly women, some men - have taken that step in reasoning and logic.

It's been a real struggle to get people to this point. It's at the heart of much feminist thought and the fact it now seems to be getting into the mainstream is good.

Feminists have worked on educating people to this view for - what? - 50 years?

I remember when it was an incredibly niche view and having it marked you out as a troublemaker.

I'm not entirely surprised DM hasn't made the further step from, 'Some men are victims, too,' to 'Male violence predominantly affects women; women alter their behaviour in the light of male violence; male violence is a system of control, from which even non-abusive men will accrue benefit; male violence affects some men; etc. ...'

Those are points that feminism has spent 50 years extrapolating and illustrating. That many of us can say it today, and be believed, is the result of work by women.

In a way, expecting everyone, DM included, to gain this insight - just by osmosis - is to deny the work that women have done to get this insight (or set of analyses) into the mainstream.

I suspect DM - and others - will get there.

One day, we might even manage to change laws and society to reflect this analysis.

In the meantime, social media is - in the main - a shit place for women.

In the light of which fact, I'm minded to be quite cynical about the fact a woman is being jumped on for a tweet and 'cancelled'.

I'm pretty sick of cancel culture generally, to be honest - isn't it mainly women who get cancelled?

And in the table of important things, which matters more: getting DM cancelled for a tweet or changing the law/societal structures that essentially permit male violence to be the problem it is?

For example, this case suggests the Met have not learnt from the John Warboys case.

That is because society/the law has not been changed to reflect what we know about male violence.

Personally, I think that matters a lot more than a social media post by a woman who presents television programmes.

Oh dear, looks like OP wasn't expecting debate.

@ChonkyChook

Ah, Davina. Famous crime expert and feminist.

Yeah she did lots of "my husband is the boss at home" statements and I wondered what was going on with her .... apparently in what can be gleaned from.wgst she's said about their split and divorce ; he felt emasculated at her being a huge earner/so successful, so all the "he's the boss at home, he's the head of our household" stuff was not only cringey and anti feminist bit didn't work anyway.

Of course I'm sure he'll take a sizeable chunk of all that money he felt emasculated by her earning.

You think she'd wake up and smell the coffee in general.

She is right though isn’t she? Calling all men out as dangerous is bad.
My son/husband/nephews are not dangerous men they are kind and compassionate men and are just as shocked at the murder of this lovely young woman as you or I.

@FortunesFave

Apparently ONE woman is killed in the UK by a man every three days.

Some of those must be by people who know them by stats but some must be strangers.

So why has THIS case caught the attention of the media and public so much?

Yes, it’s thought to be about 13 percent of female murders are by strangers. Both male and female strangers. Women kill other women. Approx 60 percent of women murdered are ex partners or current partners, and of course a percentage they don’t know who did it.

Overall most women murdered are by a partner, ex partner, someone known to them, or family. In some instances the murderer is another woman, stranger murder makes about one in ten.