@TomatoCultivator
Seriously if we haven't got the civility to disagree in a manner which is to agree to disagree then we have lost our ability to be civil
Really, redtoothbrush? Those Brexit threads you preside over are hardly civil - at least until they became echo chambers. I didn’t notice you stepping in with comments like you’ve just posted.
You know what i
wanted debate.
I wanted answers to questions that still are left unanswered and are producing a cluster fuck for trade and NI.
Instead we got told to believe and to avoid reality.
Thats fundamentally different from trying to debate.
I also did not agree with many posters in various ways and thought that there were issues with a lack of ability to understand that there was a point where there was need to back down and not be so rigid in thought.
The Brexit debate suffered because you had three not two camps. Those in the centre who wanted solutions (and this contained both 'soft leavers' and some remainers), those who became remain at all costs in an ideological fashion and those who were Brexit means Brexit. The failure to understand how it was part of the ongoing culture war and a symptom rather than cause of it was an issue.
It was always a failing of those threads and one i did point out at the time.
I would have loved proper conversations rather than some of what happened tbh. But if you are up against 'you should believe this or you are wrong' rather than can we resolve this problem or that issue which is what debate rather than belief is.
The topic of cancel culture also focuses on what we should believe rather than 'how do we actually fix the problem and deal with it properly'.
There is a difference between saying the right thing and making all the right noises and doing something meaningful.
Whats telling here is the focus on Davina and her being a bad person who isn't reading the room (ffs its not about fitting in with the dominant public opinion). There isnt practical suggestions about how we actually start to resolve the issue in real terms.
What would make things safer for women? What research are we doing into this? What studies are examining this in a non biased way? What funding is there for this type of research and development into sorting the solution? What policies have worked elsewhere etc etc.
No its fucking celebrities and 'you are saying the wrong thing'.
Its so fucking shallow and lacking in depth. And that type of ideology over substance is the real issue in today's politics.
Debate exists in the centre of politics. Cancel culture (and its backlash) are both based on ideology rather than substance.
Its the how do we do this sensibly v the what we want to do by hook or crook and to hell with how this might backfire on us if we don't address issues properly.
Don't make it a them v us dynamic. Make it a 'this is the real issue and the wall of reality which isn't going away' which has always been my attention in threads and my posting. I am ultimately not responsible nor do i necessarily agree with other posters (and that includes on Brexit).