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The vigil for Sarah Everard should be allowed to go ahead, just as the BLM protests were.

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Damnrightwrong · 12/03/2021 18:10

I'm frankly appalled that the police are opposing the vigil, it wasn't so long ago that people were flocking to central London in their thousands to protest on behalf of black lives matter.

Black lives do matter, and women's lives do too.

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Tangogolf55 · 14/03/2021 09:16

Also, the entire on duty police force did not kill that girl.

Were there protests against all doctors when Harold shipman killed those patients, or were all nurses called baby killers as a result of Beverley allit and Lucy letby?

Newpuppymummy · 14/03/2021 09:19

No. I think it was ultimately not about Sarah. Her family had urged people not to go after it was deemed to break COVID rules and I think people should have respected that. Imagine if it was your daughter.

Theunamedcat · 14/03/2021 09:22

Why did they state they arrested four women to keep the peace when the only one's i saw being arrested were kneeling peacefully?

Why was that police officer touching that woman on the bandstand without permission?

Theunamedcat · 14/03/2021 09:23

@Newpuppymummy

No. I think it was ultimately not about Sarah. Her family had urged people not to go after it was deemed to break COVID rules and I think people should have respected that. Imagine if it was your daughter.
If it was my daughter the world would burn 🤷‍♀️
GetOffYourHighHorse · 14/03/2021 09:34

' no. I think it was ultimately not about Sarah. Her family had urged people not to go after it was deemed to break COVID rules'

Yes, why on earth didn't people respect the family's wishes.

That said, what were the police thinking. The image of police pinning down women is surely one they would have wanted to avoid. I really don't get it, if there'd been violence that needed breaking up fine but to go to such disturbing lengths purely because of the 'covid risk' is absolutely shocking. I usually support the police but not this time, whoever was responsible for instructing such strong tactics should be sacked.

WhereverIlaymyhat2021 · 14/03/2021 09:40

Exactly @GetOffYourHighHorse and @Newpuppymummy I’ve addressed this a couple of times up thread directly with a couple of posters and they’ve not responded. It’s an absolute disgrace not to respect the family’s wishes and for women to be making this about them and using as an excuse to ‘protest’ about a general issue with policing in London/this country.

Her family must be absolutely horrified that people are using their personal tragedy for their own ends. I watched the 10pm news last night and the first 5 minutes were dedicated to it, 5 segments only on the 5th segment and for less than 30 seconds was her family mentioned. Hideous.

Newpuppymummy · 14/03/2021 09:49

Sorry @WhereverIlaymyhat2021 I haven’t read the whole thing. For me the COVID thing and the police behaviour are completely separate discussions. It shouldn’t have gone ahead because her family didn’t want to go ahead. Full stop.

Felifox · 14/03/2021 09:55

Sarah's murder has highlighted the concern over safety, simply it's proved you can't even trust a serving police who has a police identity card. These are the people who should be protecting us.

IndecentFeminist · 14/03/2021 10:00

Of course this wasn't purely about Sarah. It was about women needing to stand up about feeling frightened to exist and go about their free adult lives. Sarah was the catalyst.

motherheroic · 14/03/2021 10:11

Yet another example of police escalating things to a level it didn't need to go.

SkyDragon · 14/03/2021 10:13

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Tangogolf55 · 14/03/2021 10:21

Sky dragon - agree. People see a photo as the truth - the girl being arrested didn’t do anything... how do you know she hadn’t punched a policeman, or spat at her? You don’t.

Ultimately this was about Sarah but has been ruined by all who went last night. There was no trouble in the day.... just at night. Doesn’t take a genius to work out why.

Sarah’s family have woken up on Mother’s Day and should have been getting a phone call from their daughter. Instead she was killed. By a man. Not by every man in the country, and not be every policeman. The headlines should have been reflective of Catherine visiting the scene, not the debacle last night. It was an excuse to cause trouble.

thecatfromjapan · 14/03/2021 10:24

Please, remember the law around contempt.

Think before you post.

If the trial collapses because of intemperate people on the internet, it just heaps injustice on tragedy.

cardibach · 14/03/2021 10:30

[quote WhereverIlaymyhat2021]@cardibach and how do you think her Mum is feeling seeing that, her Dad her boyfriend?[/quote]
I imagine they are upset, but the upset was caused by the police. The vigil was peaceful before they arrived and again after they left, not having cleared the area. Don’t blame the women.

Theunamedcat · 14/03/2021 10:33

@Tangogolf55

Sky dragon - agree. People see a photo as the truth - the girl being arrested didn’t do anything... how do you know she hadn’t punched a policeman, or spat at her? You don’t.

Ultimately this was about Sarah but has been ruined by all who went last night. There was no trouble in the day.... just at night. Doesn’t take a genius to work out why.

Sarah’s family have woken up on Mother’s Day and should have been getting a phone call from their daughter. Instead she was killed. By a man. Not by every man in the country, and not be every policeman. The headlines should have been reflective of Catherine visiting the scene, not the debacle last night. It was an excuse to cause trouble.

Because her arrest was filmed
SkyDragon · 14/03/2021 11:05

I'm a little confused about why my post was deleted, can anyone educate me?

NeverDropYourMoonCup · 14/03/2021 11:07

@Tangogolf55

Sky dragon - agree. People see a photo as the truth - the girl being arrested didn’t do anything... how do you know she hadn’t punched a policeman, or spat at her? You don’t.

Ultimately this was about Sarah but has been ruined by all who went last night. There was no trouble in the day.... just at night. Doesn’t take a genius to work out why.

Sarah’s family have woken up on Mother’s Day and should have been getting a phone call from their daughter. Instead she was killed. By a man. Not by every man in the country, and not be every policeman. The headlines should have been reflective of Catherine visiting the scene, not the debacle last night. It was an excuse to cause trouble.

Try watching the video instead of making up stories.
DenisetheMenace · 14/03/2021 11:11

Newpuppymummy

“Sorry @WhereverIlaymyhat2021 I haven’t read the whole thing. For me the COVID thing and the police behaviour are completely separate discussions. It shouldn’t have gone ahead because her family didn’t want to go ahead. Full stop.“

Agree.

Thehawki · 14/03/2021 11:21

I thought protests were allowed to happen during lockdown. If this is the case, then why isn’t a vigil, and especially such an emotionally charged one, allowed to happen?

I think the issue of her family wanting it to happen is separate, I had actually not heard that before and I wonder if many of the people that turned up hadn’t either. The news hasn’t exactly plastered it everywhere.

Finally, the police acted with way too heavy of a hand during the vigil. All it did was rile the crowd up. Why on earth did they think pinning a woman down would be a good idea? Realistically they should have been calming everyone down, people there were angry enough at them to begin with.

thecatfromjapan · 14/03/2021 11:21

SkyDragon I reported your post. I thought it was quite possibly in contempt of court.

Now that someone has been charged, all of us have to be very mindful about what we write - or risk jeopardising the trial.

SkyDragon · 14/03/2021 11:32

Still thoroughly bemused but OK Hmm

Tangogolf55 · 14/03/2021 11:45

She didn’t like your comment .... cancel culture.

colouringindoors · 14/03/2021 11:49

Police forces in other parts of thr country eg Brighton sensibly allowed vigils to go ahead. They were peaceful.

The decision for the Met to go in heavy handed was terrible.

colouringindoors · 14/03/2021 11:51

theunnamedcat Exactly.

Last weekends football crowds? No kettling, no physical aggression, no arrests.

The police did this because they could overpower women.

SecretSpAD · 14/03/2021 12:36

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