The vigil for Sarah Everard should be allowed to go ahead, just as the BLM protests were.

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I'm frankly appalled that the police are opposing the vigil, it wasn't so long ago that people were flocking to central London in their thousands to protest on behalf of black lives matter.

Black lives do matter, and women's lives do too.

AIBU

@PicsInRed

That's fine, but a protest isn't as useful as actual engagement in a cause.

Protest is literally actual engagement.

It is a type of engagement, and all are free to show how they feel.

I would however be more inclined to support lessons in consent, treatment of school girls by groups of boys at a young age.

How women and younger girls need to be able to report what happens to them without worrying they are make a fuss or may get someone in trouble.

WhereverIlaymyhat2021 - you’re a really nice person aren’t you?

@WhereverIlaymyhat2021

Her poor poor family, I’ve just watched the BBC News it was 5 minutes of coverage 4 segments only on the 5th segment were her family mentioned it was all about the vigil erupting into violence and other peoples feelings.

The vigil didn’t ‘erupt into violence’. The police were violent and women resisted. Left alone there would have been no violence.

We can’t discriminate against different segments of society - rightly or wrongly given the timing of the pandemic the BLM protests were allowed and threfore so these vigils ought to have been sanctioned. Instead we’re in this mess now. Where a peaceful vigil has resulted in non-threatening woman being manhandled and arrested at the hands of predominantly male officer. This is utterly reprehensible and it was entirely avoidable.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56389824

Utterly sickening behaviour from the police.

YABU. Hundreds of people meeting in the middle of a pandemic is not ok. Thousands of families across the Uk have faced huge restrictions on the funerals of their loved ones. At one point only six people were allowed to attend. This is not the time to be meeting in a large group like this.

Excited to see how many people trot out "literally a gloooooooobal pandemic" to defend such covid-safe actions as police pushing women to the floor to arrest them.

And shame on EVERYONE who rubbished people's concerns over civil liberties.

@cardibach and how do you think her Mum is feeling seeing that, her Dad her boyfriend?

Christ Almighty.

BLM protests - the police stand respectfully/take a hands off approach whilst the mostly male crowds express their feelings regarding racism and specifically, the Police's behaviour..

Brexit/Anti Mask/Whatever it was protests - the police largely stand by whilst the mostly male crowds express their feelings regarding whatever it is or was until they start smashing up the place.

Tonight - the sight of burly policemen taking down, pinning and restraining women for daring to have an opinion about men, including policemen.

Nice to see that they decided to take on the women physically, rather the ones more likely to be able to fight back.

We live pretty local and the atmosphere has taken quite a turn :(

@DancingQueen85 you are correct but let me ask you this !

Since when have been arresting people for breaking covid rules instead of fining them ?
It was peaceful and in a common that has been open this entire time

Kate Middleton Was in the crowd earlier this afternoon actually she was one of the very few people not wearing a mask !
They going to fine or arrest her ?

It's been shown time and again that outdoor contact results in negligible transmissions.

Of course a peaceful event should have been allowed to take place when the police happily turn a blind eye or even join in with football fans.

The fact is, this was a protest against the met as much as anything and they have reacted to this perceived attack disgracefully. Cressida Dick and Priti Patel, if they had any fucking shame should be drafting their letters of resignation right now.

twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1370876375683497991?s=20 Just to add, we now know that there's much, much less risk outdoors.

Can you just imagine what Clapham Common would have been like tonight if there hadn't been any police around?

The police should be ashamed of themselves.

@Troublewaters2021

I answered the OP's question about whether the vigil should be allowed to go ahead. When so many people have been unable to meet to mourn their own loved ones who have passed away over the last year, I don't think it is a necessity for so many people to attend a vigil for a stranger during a pandemic.
Obviously I absolutely do not condone the police brutality which seems to have taken place but we also don't have any context to the photograph that has come out.

Kate Middleton Was in the crowd earlier this afternoon actually she was one of the very few people not wearing a mask !

Are you sure? I think you’re a bit confused-she visited a tribute to Sarah Everard earlier in the day but not the protest as far as I’ve seen.

We live pretty local and the atmosphere has taken quite a turn sad

In what way? Genuine question

I honestly thought, when reading about the planned vigil, this is one mass gathering that the police will leave alone. I mean, given the circumstances of Sarah's death, how could they do otherwise?!

How wrong was I?!

I have never been a person to bash the police during this pandemic. I've thought,well... they're doing their job.

Tonight has changed my opinion

It's like the last week has been a case of...

"Oh god, look what's happened! Surely the met police can't do anything to make this worse than it already is for them...

Aaaand look....they just did"

[quote DancingQueen85]@Troublewaters2021

I answered the OP's question about whether the vigil should be allowed to go ahead. When so many people have been unable to meet to mourn their own loved ones who have passed away over the last year, I don't think it is a necessity for so many people to attend a vigil for a stranger during a pandemic.
Obviously I absolutely do not condone the police brutality which seems to have taken place but we also don't have any context to the photograph that has come out. [/quote]
People were going to turn out tonight with or without permission. The sensible thing for the met to have done would have been to accept that and work together with the grieving to ensure it was done safely and respectfully. Covid does not transmit outdoors, we now know this.

But no, what we predictably get is a group of powermad fuckwits taking the vigil as a direct attack against them and behaving in a way that would be beyond belief if it not for the fact that we already know that about 99% of people in the police are exactly the type of people who should have absolutely no authority whatsoever.

@PurpleDaisies it was the same locaTion the original protest did not go ahead it was just people going theough the day including Kate.
I walked past abort 3.30 and it was busy they did it care u til it landed at the time when the original protest was meant to take place.

@UrAWizHarry again unbelievable at least you’ve admitted it ‘a protest against the met’ how do you think Sarah’s family would feel reading that....using the death of their daughter for for protest and political gain absolutely disgusting. I cannot begin to imagine how they are feeling seeing all this.

The hospitals are not even busy any more, and yet we are not even allowed to pay respects to another murdered woman.

Why??

@Iremembertheelderlykoreanlady It has turned to anger and a lot of it. I grew up in Clapham ( don’t live there anymore but still sort of local ) but my 2 kids are at my parents at the moment and I went to visit today. It’s just pure anger and the moment I don’t think it’s going to be a smooth week for anyone and the met police are really going to have to start talking.
Up to today most people could maybe not blame them all for a police mans actions but tonight they have turned them against them.

This isn’t about covid though why can’t people see that ?
We haven’t been arresting people for breaking covid rules so even if they did break them why were they on the dooor being arrested. They need to answer this

Everybody's lives matter. That’s the whole point of us staying at home, isn’t it?