The vigil for Sarah Everard should be allowed to go ahead, just as the BLM protests were.

[Damnrightwrong]

I'm frankly appalled that the police are opposing the vigil, it wasn't so long ago that people were flocking to central London in their thousands to protest on behalf of black lives matter.

Black lives do matter, and women's lives do too.

AIBU

Or course it should go ahead. Shameful that it's being prevented.

Sorry, but I think YABU. I am not convinced a vigil will achieve or change anything. The issue of women's safety runs far deeper than anything that can be solved by a protest, and many of the people who turn up at these things have no real commitment to the cause and use it simply as a way to virtue-signal.

@PicsInRed I’d be very careful if I were you, calling an organisation (or group of people) to start taking things by force can be viewed as a terrorist organisation in this day and age. Public opinion on the suffragettes damaged a lot of their cause too, it was ultimately the world wars that changed opinions on women and their ability to work and help society function.

Though I share your sentiment.

I voted YABU not because I don’t believe their should be a protest. I do. But I object to the comparison to BLM because you would’ve known that it will bring out the racists. It’s not a competition, this march has enough benefits to stand on its own without attempting to tear another down.

It’s BS like this which makes non white women suspicious of feminism which is seen as a white women’s movement. Black and other non white women are also women so any attempt to try and pit BLM and women’s issues as competing issues will cost you support.

Signed a mixed raced woman.

I want to go, I’ll be there if it takes place

@JackieWeaverHandforthCouncil

I voted YABU not because I don’t believe their should be a protest. I do. But I object to the comparison to BLM because you would’ve known that it will bring out the racists. It’s not a competition, this march has enough benefits to stand on its own without attempting to tear another down.

It’s BS like this which makes non white women suspicious of feminism which is seen as a white women’s movement. Black and other non white women are also women so any attempt to try and pit BLM and women’s issues as competing issues will cost you support.

Signed a mixed raced woman.

I'm truly sorry if I caused offense.

My comparison was purely my trying to put forward that personally I thought they are both worthy causes and that both should go ahead.

Apologies if I was clumsy in that.

Well we can now meet 1 person from another household outdoors for a socially distanced chat....there are no laws about where this socially distanced chat can be, and Clapham Common is a very big place. I reckon a lot of "friends" can meet there. Just a random thought that popped into my head.

@Damnrightwrong

I'm frankly appalled that the police are opposing the vigil, it wasn't so long ago that people were flocking to central London in their thousands to protest on behalf of black lives matter.

Black lives do matter, and women's lives do too.

AIBU

But we live in a police state. Our rights have been taken away

@JackieWeaverHandforthCouncil I agree with you.
OP I understand what you are saying but you must know that the racist/ will come out against BLM because you mentioned it. Black and women’s rights are not separate issues, there are also black women.

It should go ahead but YABVU comparing it to BLM

Rubbish, the BLM protests started because a man was killed in AMERICA. This is a woman in our own country for god sake, it’s not remotely unreasonable to compare the two.

Yanbu OP. If I lived in london I'd still go I think. I live in a city where there was going to be a vigil too. Albeit much smaller. I'd still like to go.

There's no reason for it not to go ahead now that we know risk of outdoor transmission is vanishingly rare.

They are never going to give us safety unless we first take it by force.

Every woman could make a citizens arrest of one man, on a certain time/date. Then we could keep them under curfew for a year and observe the difference it made to the crime stats. (only half joking)

@JackieWeaverHandforthCouncil

I voted YABU not because I don’t believe their should be a protest. I do. But I object to the comparison to BLM because you would’ve known that it will bring out the racists. It’s not a competition, this march has enough benefits to stand on its own without attempting to tear another down.

It’s BS like this which makes non white women suspicious of feminism which is seen as a white women’s movement. Black and other non white women are also women so any attempt to try and pit BLM and women’s issues as competing issues will cost you support.

Signed a mixed raced woman.

That was never the angle I was coming from. I am mixed race myself, as are my children.

I said you are being unreasonable. Lives matter and we are in a pandemic. Crowds spread the virus. Not exactly a nice way to bring attention to this poor woman’s death

No, we do not live in a police state.

On 5 June 2020, the Deputy Assistant Commissioner of the Metropolitan Police, Laurence Taylor, described BLM protests across the United Kingdom as "unlawful" due to health protection regulations. Matt Hancock concurred, as did politicians and police chiefs in the devolved adminstrations.

On another level, is the best way to react to law breaking deciding to break the law yourself and encourage others to do so as well? Or is it just more of the "Coronavirus rules don't apply to me, I will decide which of them to follow"

@murbblurb

No, we do not live in a police state.

We cannot meet our friends and our family in our homes or elsewhere Right to protest is an offence Oh yes we do

Completely agree with you OP!

FWIW, I'm just going to happen to be walking my dog on Clapham Common at 6pm tomorrow 😉

@BoJoHoNo

YANBU I hope it still goes ahead. I can't see any 'Covid' fines for people attending being upheld in court.

Are you all truly this delusional? Let's be clear. I have been reclaiming the night longer than most of you have been alive. What happened to Sarah - and we need to be careful because guessing and knowing are not the same thing, and prejudicing trials is stupid - is appalling. Just as it is appalling when anybody is murdered ; and the lack of safety for women at all levels of society is beyond unacceptable.

Be angry. Be angry now, next month, next year.... But you do her memory NO service by breaking a law that, whether you like it or not, says that we need to SAVE LIVES by not doing what is proposed here. If you have the right to break the law and break lockdown, then how does that make you different from any other lawbreaker? Only in degree. Breaking the law is sometimes necessary. This is not that time. If ONE person contracts COVID and dies as a result of this protest, then you are spitting on her memory. I can't believe this is what she would want.

100% agree.

@OverTheRainbow88

It should go ahead but YABVU comparing it to BLM

Although the practical daily details of sexism and racism obviously differ, they are philosophically identical (as with other forms of discrimination).

And the police do disproportionately harm and kill both black people and women, whether on duty or off (domestic abuse is high amongst officers, and they stick together to protect each other from prosecution).

@Moondust001 where exactly is the risk in meeting, socially distanced, outdoors wearing masks as the organisers are proposing? Covid is likely here to stay, at what point in your world is it okay for women's rights to matter. Perhaps June 23rd when the great oracle Johnson gives us the big thumbs up? And yes, I'm in favour of the Police not having carte blanche to dish out 'Covid' fines left right and centre, sorry if that offends you.

YANBU. My dd and I went to a BLM March. Everyone wore masks and there was some distancing. I feel strongly that these marches should be allowed to go ahead.

I don’t see how they can stop it.
It’s an open common, people are allowed to leave their houses.
They all go individually to the common they are breaking no rules
Met are arseholes and they know due to the release of McDonald’s incident they are in for a rough time.

“Spitting on her memory” ?

Who the fuck do you think you are to accuse people of that ? Your sanctimony is appalling to witness.