Too Many Men

[JackieBeaver]

I'm feeling very sad about the Sarah Everard case. Poor poor woman. There's a lot of stories coming out now from women who have experienced feeling unsafe due to the behaviour of men with the hashtag toomanymen trending on Twitter and Green Party peer baroness Jones calling for a 6pm curfew of all men.

We need a change! This can't go on, I'm so tired of feeling unsafe and unable to go about my business without fearing for my safety. I'm worried for my dd also

Enough is enough

@AccidentallyOnPurpose

Where? Where has anyone argued that men aren't violent at a higher rate than women?

NAMALT.

I fail to see how NAMALT somehow becomes "women are equally violent".

[quote Ammy85]@thedancingbear I mean going forward clearly if sentences where a lot harsher in the UK it can hopefully stop such happening.

But yes men bashing is a bit much I think and to generalise in such a way just because of few psychopaths. [/quote]
The death penalty has been demonstrated over and over not to make an iota of difference to offending rates.

It's not a 'few psychopaths'. It's, at least, a sizeable minority of 'normal' men.

@justcannotwithyou You're welcome to find it 'off topic' if you want, have a good one.

[quote Ammy85]@thedancingbear I mean going forward clearly if sentences where a lot harsher in the UK it can hopefully stop such happening.

But yes men bashing is a bit much I think and to generalise in such a way just because of few psychopaths. [/quote]
Pathologising abusive and violent men does no favours to anyone. A lot of the men that murder,rape,abuse,harm etc women are described as "lovely", "wonderful" etc , not just by their family but by their community too.

Describing them as psychopaths, animal etc increases the burden on women to prove that "it really was that bad". She must be lying because my son/husband/father/friend/neighbour is not a psychopath.

@Eteri

How disgustingly narcissistic to take a tragedy and make it all about you. Ugh.

Yes I agree This is feminism at its worse. Making it all about them. Think your scared? Imagine how scared Sarah must have been and how her family are feeling.

Hysterical nonsense.

The male curfew thing is literally the dumbest idea I’ve ever heard. Someone intent on sexual assault wouldn’t be bothered by a curfew but the nice men who could actually be a deterrent would all be at home abiding by the law.

Yes. Like all women I expect I’ve been followed down roads, had men put their hands up my skirt, targeted on an empty tube late at night until thankfully someone else appears etc. It’s really really shit. The only thing is, if I look back at the say, three most frightening examples, in those cases other men came to my support.
I was on a train one time when a very drunk man was trying to get into a fight at one end of the carriage and then made his way over to the other side, where I was alone.. the way he looked at me it was really very scary until two of the blokes he’d been trying to pick a fight with came all the way over and stood either side of me until he’d given up and gone away. They never spoke to me and just left after that too. There are definitely other times I’ve had support from men against other men too.
As angry as I am / was at the number of men who have followed me / groped me / gone out to scare me I’m also grateful to a similar number of men who have put themselves at some risk to protect me. It feels at the moment like I’m not supposed to express this kind of opinion though.

Men simultaneously claiming 'notallmen' and that it's only a small minority of men who are violent, then in the same breath saying that they're scared their sons will get beaten to death if they call a fellow man out for being misogynistic. Yeah, something doesn't quite add up with that reasoning. Men are either harmless lambs or they aren't, pick one and stick to it. You can't argue that 99% of men are harmless when it comes to women but then use fear of male violence as an excuse for men to have no obligation to call misogynistic men out.

@Naunet

If your reaction to someone making a perfectly valid comment about tarring every man with the same brush is to associate me with that sort of behaviour then I'd say you're as much a part of the problem as you claim that I am. I don't disagree that women have the right to be angry about these issues but give it a rest with the generalisations eh?

Oh, and for the record; I've worked in places where women outnumber men and objectification by them was commonplace. It's always glossed over as "a bit of fun" but there's just a slight whiff of hypocrisy about it, no? Anyone for a "diet coke break"?

@IJustWantSomeBees

Men simultaneously claiming 'notallmen' and that it's only a small minority of men who are violent, then in the same breath saying that they're scared their sons will get beaten to death if they call a fellow man out for being misogynistic. Yeah, something doesn't quite add up with that reasoning. Men are either harmless lambs or they aren't, pick one and stick to it. You can't argue that 99% of men are harmless when it comes to women but then use fear of male violence as an excuse for men to have no obligation to call misogynistic men out.

If you're referring to what I said, I didn't know I was a man first of all, but also the 99% of men are harmless is a bullshit figure. No one has claimed such a thing on this thread.

The endless amount of posters making shit up to fit in with their opinions is astounding.

@MAMNIL
If you think that anyone here believes it’s ALL men, then that’s your issue.

@MAMNIL It's not all men - but enough that ALL women are being told not to go out alone at night.

If it's fair to place restrictions on ALL women, why isn't it fair to place restriction on all men instead?

[quote MAMNIL]@Naunet

If your reaction to someone making a perfectly valid comment about tarring every man with the same brush is to associate me with that sort of behaviour then I'd say you're as much a part of the problem as you claim that I am. I don't disagree that women have the right to be angry about these issues but give it a rest with the generalisations eh?

Oh, and for the record; I've worked in places where women outnumber men and objectification by them was commonplace. It's always glossed over as "a bit of fun" but there's just a slight whiff of hypocrisy about it, no? Anyone for a "diet coke break"?[/quote]
Because the diet coke advert is just the same as grabbing a woman's breasts.

Mate, as another feller - you're making an absolute dick of yourself here. Coming on a predominantly female message board, in light of everything that's happened in the news lately, and complaining that men are getting a hard time is a cunt's trick, and tells us exactly who and what you are.

@thedancingbear

No, not really. I think my point was perfectly valid. Please see my response to @Naunet above. I'm sorry if you've had a bad experience at the hands of a man but I can assure you it wasn't me. Don't associate me with that sort of arsehole behavior solely because I've got a dick.

@thedancingbear Sorry, cross post.

Getting a bit aggressive there "mate"?

It's not all men - but enough that ALL women are being told not to go out alone at night.

Exactly.

^@thedancingbear Sorry, cross post.

Getting a bit aggressive there "mate"?^

Just calling you out on your idiotic behaviour. It's transparent you don't listen to women, so I thought I might have a go.

[quote thedancingbear]^@thedancingbear Sorry, cross post.

Getting a bit aggressive there "mate"?^

Just calling you out on your idiotic behaviour. It's transparent you don't listen to women, so I thought I might have a go.[/quote]
Hey buddy, I'm not the one using the C word or getting personal. Calm down a bit, chum.

THere are some terrible men out there, and within homes too. Also women. Women attack men, and women attack women. Both genders abuse children. Keeping everyone off the streets does not help the situation, it actually increases it. Most abuse crimes happen with someone close to the family/victim. Keeping men of the streets after 6 is outrageous. It's also incredibly sexist. There are more male ambulance drivers, soldiers, police officers and firemen than females. Many men are our heros. What we need to do is stop tax cuts on our emergency services, and preventative services and fund them to expand and do the job that's needed.

Oh are we at the "women do it too" stage of the argument?

blimey - glad you came along to Explain

I don’t think she’s serious in implementing it, even though it would be a fantastic social experiment to see what happened with crime figures. I think it’s a master stroke. Everyone is talking about it, hopefully a line has been drawn!

A glorious example of NAMALT:
If we cover up all women from the age of ca 8, then men will not be tempted by them and all will be well. Not a burka, but sort of like a ... burka.
Also, then if a woman reports violence of any sort, or anything happens to her, we will know it is really all her fault because if she wore her non-burka properly none of that would have happened.
Problem solved.

But how the fuck does that not infantilise men? They clearly have no ability to contain their own behaviour within the realms of decency? Or do they?

Biting sarcasm there.

Apparently a project in Nigeria to stop a «rape-epidemic» was to run campaigns aimed at boys and men: do not rape. They had clubs where males would educate other males on exactly how crap it was to carry out rape and sexual assault. Well more effective than telling people «do try not to be raped, please».
I suggest campaigns like this all over Europe, and then globally.
Just stop; do not rape, do not assault. It is not good. Ad nauseam.
The tea-analogy or similar works well.

In 2015, 92,779 people were convicted of domestic abuse in England and Wales, thereby suggesting that 87,138 or 93.9 per cent of convicted abusers are male, while 6.1 per cent of convicted abusers are female (Independent)

so yeah women can be abusive (doesn't say if they abused men or women btw) but if you think that statistic justifies derailing a thread about male violence because 'women do it to' you are fucking deluded

@Ozziewoz

THere are some terrible men out there, and within homes too. Also women. Women attack men, and women attack women. Both genders abuse children. Keeping everyone off the streets does not help the situation, it actually increases it. Most abuse crimes happen with someone close to the family/victim. Keeping men of the streets after 6 is outrageous. It's also incredibly sexist. There are more male ambulance drivers, soldiers, police officers and firemen than females. Many men are our heros. What we need to do is stop tax cuts on our emergency services, and preventative services and fund them to expand and do the job that's needed.

So many things wrong with this post I don’t even know where to begin. 🙄