To think Harry threw Meghan to the lions

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OK apologies its another thread on this but hear me out

So I've watched the interview and I think Harry actually comes off looking much worse and that Meghan is actually suffering because he's a pretty shit partner.

On watching it and if you take what she says at face value:

Why didn't he tell her what it was all about given that she said she didn't know anything about the royals?

Why didn't he warn her what happened to his mother if she was that unaware?

Why didn't he arrange mental health support given he's had a therapist on speed dial for years?

Why didn't he stand up against Kate if she made Meghan cry?

Why have another child if he knows that there won't be any security for Archie?

Why not sort out a realistic plan to support himself before leaving rather than making knee jerk reactions which put his wife and child at risk?

So many questions that actually make Harry look like a pretty shit husband. To me he seems to be the one that is responsible for putting Meghan into the situation she's in now and then to make himself look better throws his family under the bus rather than take responsibility.

YANBU - Harry needs to take some responsibility for Meghan's experiences

YABU - he is not to blame for what happened to her.

If MM really didn't know about life in the royal family then that's on H not the royal family, she talks about not knowing to curtsy to the Queen, why didn't he tell her? Why would you let her marry into the royal family without any knowledge?

If she was suicidal why the fuck did he take her to an engagement and not a mental health professional? Or her usual doctor?

I think Harry is coming across like a very angry, bitter man. He's clearly unhappy with his father and is behaving like a spoilt brat. We aren't shocked there might be racism in the royal family as he himself dressed up as a bloody nazi!

All that aside if I came from LA and had done the Hollywood thing I wouldn't want to spend my life smiling and waving walking behind Kate and William either at some rainy county fayre making flat jokes about whether it's jam before cream or cream before jam. I mean how many church cake sales can I possibly tolerate before I totally lose it!

Agree. So why the rush to get married and commit to a life you knew nothing about and/or were not properly briefed on? Marriage - and the commitment to it - is different to a love affair.

@eddiemairswife

I think Harry needs to sort himself out and find something he likes, to devote his energies to. He doesn't seem to have any interests outside his immediate family and bemoaning his raw deal in life. His father has his organic gardening and farming; his aunt has her horses; his uncle has philandering with young women!! Surely, an education at a renowned public school should have given him something, or would the local comp have been better for him?

He does have interests e.g. the military, London Marathon etc. It was all taken away from him. Very petty of the RF imo.

The whole thing appeared to be a remake of Diana's biography, Diana Her True Story. Practically all the elements of the were the same.Only instead of the intriguing phrase in Diana's book about there being 3 in the marriage... there's the intriguing who's the royal racist.

William experienced the same trauma as Harry, but people hold him accountable for his behaviour. Lizzy Cundy has gone onrecord saying that MM was looking to match up with an influential man in the UK. I also believe she flirted with/flattered Piers Morgan at the start and then backed off when Harry became a possibility. They were both members at Soho House.

@GrimDamnFanjo

Ive posted similar to this on another thread.

I've thought about the interview and my take is that everything that was said came from entirely their perspective.
And as such it can be interpreted in a different way to what we think M&h may have meant:
The earlier wedding - Meghan presents it as such as that's what she considered it. To everyone else perhaps it was a rehearsal or a discussion about the vows but as it WAS with the Archbishop it was real enough in her mind for her to class it as an actual marriage.

The mental health crisis - she actually wanted to be admitted into a clinic. Not surprisingly the palace thought she could be helped in a less public way. She presents this as being denied help.

Re the mental health support. A fair number of royalty have had mental illness - Diana, rumoured her sons, in the Crown we saw Princess Margaret having therapy. A minor royal has had quite severe mh issues and has since left to live a different life. I don't for one minute believe that the palace refused to help her, just that it wasn't the type help she sought.

Kate and Meghan. We kind of know what the row may have been about. Both upset each other and cried. Only Kate's upset was reported in the press. Kate sent Meghan an apology and flowers etc. Meghan was right to say Kate made me cry but it wasn't the full picture.

The passport. It's looked after by her assistant for travel etc. Meghan presents this to look like she's held hostage. It's just heavy handed organisation by the Palace staff.

Security and the title - different issues but connected in their minds. The public shouldn't be expected to pay for private citizens security. The Royal Family should pay their own way if not working royals as I believe Andrew ended up doing for the York girls.

I thought everything she said was true but true in her own mind and she sincerely believes she is right - but could be looked at from another angle with a different interpretation.

Best post I've read on this whole debacle

[quote diagold4u]@RootyT00t of course he would be responsible, he knew how she felt and didn't seek help for his wife, he would be responsible very much in the sense of guilt!! Do you know how much courage it takes to admit something like that [/quote]
He wouldn’t be responsible.
However I agree with your general gist that he seems to have been a bit useless. I’ve been suicidal and if she was anything like I was, she wouldn’t have been in a position to fight for the help she needed, especially in the face of being told she couldn’t have it (which is appalling). She needed someone to make arrangements, tell any palace staff who said no to fuck right off, and drive her to whatever appointment was necessary.

I think their story is about to start. I can't imagine a 36 year old now is going to spend his life from now on finding his own feet to feed his children. Meghan like her or not has survived on her own and now she has a husband and second child on the way to think about. I can't imagine anything worse than having a spoilt man reaching his middle age trying to find his passion in life to make a living. Imagine having him under your feet all day despite living in a mansion. If they were in the firm living in the UK, he had friends and family to keep him occupied and of course funds available like a running tap but now that's not available thanks to burning the bridges. Meghan will have to think of ways making money as well as keeping her spoilt prince happy. That will strain the relationship. Of course I'm on the outside and know nothing from the inside but this is what it looks like to me, they are doomed. Good luck to them though...

@ChocolateSantaisthebestkind

William experienced the same trauma as Harry, but people hold him accountable for his behaviour. Lizzy Cundy has gone onrecord saying that MM was looking to match up with an influential man in the UK. I also believe she flirted with/flattered Piers Morgan at the start and then backed off when Harry became a possibility. They were both members at Soho House.

Do they? In what way?

He didn't experience the same trauma.

Ah well if Lizzy Cundy says it, it must be true.

Also, how dare Meghan flirt with a man and then change her mind when she met someone new.

Outrageous

I think the whole Kate argument thing does not make megan come across well.

It was before the wedding so Kate was either heavily pregnant or at most weeks postpartum. It seems to be some minor spat about bridesmaids dresses, Kate apologised. So why bring it up?

Megan is acting like Kate did something awful, she wouldn't have wanted to embarras Kate by telling people. She wouldn't have wanted it to get out the Kate upset her. Its such manipulative language, designed to make MM appear kind and empathetic whilst also emphasising how terrible Kate was. It reminds of manipulative playground gossip

Its a bloody argument about a bridesmaid dress when Kate was either heavily pregnant or just given birth ffs. No one wants to see that sort of pathetic tit for tat, it doesn't do what Megan thinks it does

@Meredithgrey1 how on earth do we know he didn't? He just said he didn't tell anyone.

You know with it not being their business.

Ah tell staff to fuck off.

The same staff Meghan was accused of bullying?

@DIshedUp

I think the whole Kate argument thing does not make megan come across well.

It was before the wedding so Kate was either heavily pregnant or at most weeks postpartum. It seems to be some minor spat about bridesmaids dresses, Kate apologised. So why bring it up?

Megan is acting like Kate did something awful, she wouldn't have wanted to embarras Kate by telling people. She wouldn't have wanted it to get out the Kate upset her. Its such manipulative language, designed to make MM appear kind and empathetic whilst also emphasising how terrible Kate was. It reminds of manipulative playground gossip

Its a bloody argument about a bridesmaid dress when Kate was either heavily pregnant or just given birth ffs. No one wants to see that sort of pathetic tit for tat, it doesn't do what Megan thinks it does

I don't think that's the case.

Meghan was asked about an argument that made Kate cry. She gave her side.

@RootyT00t you've obviously drunk the koolaid and that's fine, we can disagree. To me, there are too many coincidences and inaccuracies for poor me, lil ole me crap to be true. She is a shrewd woman not an ingenue except when it suits her of course

@DIshedUp

I think the whole Kate argument thing does not make megan come across well.

It was before the wedding so Kate was either heavily pregnant or at most weeks postpartum. It seems to be some minor spat about bridesmaids dresses, Kate apologised. So why bring it up?

Megan is acting like Kate did something awful, she wouldn't have wanted to embarras Kate by telling people. She wouldn't have wanted it to get out the Kate upset her. Its such manipulative language, designed to make MM appear kind and empathetic whilst also emphasising how terrible Kate was. It reminds of manipulative playground gossip

Its a bloody argument about a bridesmaid dress when Kate was either heavily pregnant or just given birth ffs. No one wants to see that sort of pathetic tit for tat, it doesn't do what Megan thinks it does

Agree with that, Dishedup. The other thing Meghan has not factored in is the general public's view of Kate's character which I think is largely favourable.

Do you usually decide whether you like someone based on their looks?

Nasty.

No. They’re not mutually exclusive.

I think the whole Kate argument thing does not make megan come across well.

It needn't have become an issue were it then not widely reported that Meghan had made Kate cry; which Kate though apologised to Meghan she failed to set the story straight in the press so Meghan received tons of press painting her out to have been some sort of monster to Kate. If as a Black woman you've ever worked with a White woman this type of dynamic will be instantly recognisable.

[quote RootyT00t]@Meredithgrey1 how on earth do we know he didn't? He just said he didn't tell anyone.

You know with it not being their business.

Ah tell staff to fuck off.

The same staff Meghan was accused of bullying?[/quote]
He said he asked for help and was told that that wasn’t how it was done. Combined with what Meghan said about not getting any help, you’re right, I’ve made an assumption.

I didn’t necessarily mean fuck off in so many words, but she was having a serious, potentially life threatening, health crisis and was being denied help. No one would call it bullying if Harry told them to back off and he was doing it regardless.

I agree , I don't know if I believe it all and there are 2 sides to a story
But if she felt so low , which part I can understand as she really didn't seem prepared , and its like living in a goldfish bowl, why on earth didn't he get her the help, or when she went to the usa for baby shower help her get it there
Its like the title and charles plan to slim down all things Harry should know.
Saying he was cut off from money , well of course he won't get working royal money if not working.
Also why didn't he challenge any remarks made at the time and why would you want to keep the titles you have , after saying what was said yesterday. They are making their own money now and have signed deals etc so wouldn't you walk away from it all if you feel as they say.

What she wasn't prepared for was the stalking from Piers Morgan and the DM and the racist attacks from everyone incl the BBC who called her baby a monkey

Wasn't this one presenter who got the sack ?

When Charles becomes King, all his grandchildren become Prince/Princess. That's the convention. Simple as that. The Institution were allegedly trying to alter that so that Archie would not get that title. That's blatant racism in action. This runs through the male lines only so it's why Zara and Peter Philips are not titled Princess/Prince but Eugenie and Beatrice are both Princesses. Archie and any sibling should have the same right to a title that Eugenie and Beatrice have. Simple as that.

Are you conveniently forgetting that Prince Edward's children aren't a prince and princess?
It's been well known for a long time that Charles is keen to slim down the monarchy. This might mean that only the direct heirs to the throne and their children are given the titles of Prince and Princess. Do you honestly, truly believe that the royal family would say, 'We're not having a mixed race prince, quick, change the rules to deliberately leave out the only mixed race baby in the family'. Do you honestly believe that? Harry isn't anywhere near the throne yet seems to think that he should be treated as though he is (eg. the very much alleged tantrum about the queen not having his and Meghan's photo in display during her speech but only Charles, William and George. He appears to see it as being deliberately excluded whereas if there was another sibling they wouldn't have been included either as it was just the heirs to the throne. Including heirs to the throne in a photo isn't deliberately excluding or victimising him). Edward's children are the grandchildren of the Queen. They are not prince/ss. Eugenie's baby is great grandchild to the queen, same as Archie, again no title. Harry and Meghan can't demand titles and protection for themselves and their child/ren if they are opting out. Much less expect it to be funded by everybody else.

@Beseigedbykillersquirrels

When Charles becomes King, all his grandchildren become Prince/Princess. That's the convention. Simple as that. The Institution were allegedly trying to alter that so that Archie would not get that title. That's blatant racism in action. This runs through the male lines only so it's why Zara and Peter Philips are not titled Princess/Prince but Eugenie and Beatrice are both Princesses. Archie and any sibling should have the same right to a title that Eugenie and Beatrice have. Simple as that.

Are you conveniently forgetting that Prince Edward's children aren't a prince and princess?
It's been well known for a long time that Charles is keen to slim down the monarchy. This might mean that only the direct heirs to the throne and their children are given the titles of Prince and Princess. Do you honestly, truly believe that the royal family would say, 'We're not having a mixed race prince, quick, change the rules to deliberately leave out the only mixed race baby in the family'. Do you honestly believe that? Harry isn't anywhere near the throne yet seems to think that he should be treated as though he is (eg. the very much alleged tantrum about the queen not having his and Meghan's photo in display during her speech but only Charles, William and George. He appears to see it as being deliberately excluded whereas if there was another sibling they wouldn't have been included either as it was just the heirs to the throne. Including heirs to the throne in a photo isn't deliberately excluding or victimising him). Edward's children are the grandchildren of the Queen. They are not prince/ss. Eugenie's baby is great grandchild to the queen, same as Archie, again no title. Harry and Meghan can't demand titles and protection for themselves and their child/ren if they are opting out. Much less expect it to be funded by everybody else.

Edward’s children are Princess and Prince. Sophie Wessex confirmed that it was their choice not to use the titles with their children, but that they do have them and could use them at 18 if they want.

Under protocols established by George V in letters patent more than 100 years ago in 1917, the children and grandchildren of a sovereign have the automatic right to the title HRH and prince or princess. (from The Guardian.)

Archie is a great grandchild and therefore does not get the title 'Prince'.

Lots of threads on the royal family at the moment. Has there been something in the news about them?

@shamalidacdak

Because he's thick as mince

Well you can't hang a man for that .. think about so many posting on MN who "still can't understand racism/ sexism/ hate speak/etc etc " because you're taking away their rights to abuse others

When Charles becomes King, all his grandchildren become Prince/Princess. That's the convention. Simple as that. The Institution were allegedly trying to alter that so that Archie would not get that title. That's blatant racism in action. This runs through the male lines only so it's why Zara and Peter Philips are not titled Princess/Prince but Eugenie and Beatrice are both Princesses. Archie and any sibling should have the same right to a title that Eugenie and Beatrice have. Simple as that

Its been known for ages charles wants to slim down the monarchy Eugenie and Beatrice are the queens grandchildren
Whichever one of them has just had a baby won't get the right to be a prince either
But we don't even know exactly what was said and it appeared like they were talking about more when he was born.