To think Harry threw Meghan to the lions

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OK apologies its another thread on this but hear me out

So I've watched the interview and I think Harry actually comes off looking much worse and that Meghan is actually suffering because he's a pretty shit partner.

On watching it and if you take what she says at face value:

Why didn't he tell her what it was all about given that she said she didn't know anything about the royals?

Why didn't he warn her what happened to his mother if she was that unaware?

Why didn't he arrange mental health support given he's had a therapist on speed dial for years?

Why didn't he stand up against Kate if she made Meghan cry?

Why have another child if he knows that there won't be any security for Archie?

Why not sort out a realistic plan to support himself before leaving rather than making knee jerk reactions which put his wife and child at risk?

So many questions that actually make Harry look like a pretty shit husband. To me he seems to be the one that is responsible for putting Meghan into the situation she's in now and then to make himself look better throws his family under the bus rather than take responsibility.

YANBU - Harry needs to take some responsibility for Meghan's experiences

YABU - he is not to blame for what happened to her.

@VladmirsPoutine

Well, no one knows that because you didn’t.

How do you know they didn't

The threads on Meghan here are frankly unhinged. Really to the point its pathological.

Yes. This is one of the most unpleasant threads I've seen on mumsnet. Ugly ugly ugly.

Yes I think in true mumsnet style Megan had a husband problem not an in law or staff problem. He has worked with mental health charities and had his own therapy, (and the Palace got his mother psychiatric help in the 80s so am sure they would have again) Harry has the knowledge and resources to get her the best psychiatric help in the country, so it was his role as husband to help her get this not HR. I wouldn't go to HR if I needed a health professional I would go to my GP, family or friends. I really admired Harry and Megan previously but this hasn't put him in a good light at all

I do think Archie bring a Prince may be a major factor in this. Charles has been pushing for a slimmed down monarchy for some time, and its well known that Andrew has been angry that his daughters have a very small role and no taxpayer funded protection. They are grandchildren of the monarch. The focus is on the heir and his heirs. We do not need an over inflated monarchy just for the sake of it.

Archie is currently 7th in line to the throne and unlikely to ever become king. When Peter Phillips was born, the queen's first grandchild, he was 5th in line to the throne, he is now 16th. This is what will happen with Archie and his sister. They will be much loved family members, but become increasingly irrelevant in the line of succession as William's children grow up and marry and have children.

It's really wrong of Meghan and Harry to make this about race. They said when Archie was born that they didn't want him to have a title. They lied about when he was born, saying the duchess was in labour when the baby had been born, and refused to say where he was born or who the grandparents were. They really can't have it both ways. They want a title and protection but don't want to give anything in return. That isn't ok. Like the wedding we all watched and cheered at (and paid a lot of money towards) which they now say wasn't their 'real' wedding.

Very entitled behaviour.

Choosing to air your dirty laundry in public does rather invite people to comment.

It can be very hard for normal people to get proper MH help - especially on the NHS which normally starts with the default advice to read a few websites - but surely Harry did have the resources and knew about Meghan’s state of mind and where to get help?

Am I the only person who has certain relatives who have regularly reduced me to tears and don’t give a damn about me. Blood relatives that I have to have certain dealings with from time to time. Not just once but continually over 50 years with targeted hatred. It seems Meghan had one argument with Kate where they probably both ended up in tears and it was over planning a wedding which is the sort of thing that causes unnecessary stress and spats. One argument and Kate is “outed” for it.

Team Queen. Just thought I would get that in before it all gets removed.

Now, why are Prince Edward’s children not titled as Prince and Princess? As male-line grandchildren of Queen Elizabeth II, they have as much right to a princely title as the children of Prince Charles or Prince Andrew.

Just as happened on Prince Harry’s wedding day, when Buckingham Palace released a statement to announce his future titles, the same happened on the day Prince Edward wed Sophie Rhys-Jones.

Prince Edward’s statement, however, came with many surprises. First of all, it broke with a centuries-old tradition that children of the monarch were created Dukes upon marriage. Prince Edward became Earl of Wessex, but the statement made clear that the Royal Family intended for him to be created Duke of Edinburgh after both Charles’s accession and Prince Philip’s death.

It also announced that The Queen decided, with the consent of both Edward and Sophie, that any children the couple might have together would not be given the style His or Her Royal Highness, but instead be styled as children of an Earl.

@Emeraldshamrock

Now, why are Prince Edward’s children not titled as Prince and Princess? As male-line grandchildren of Queen Elizabeth II, they have as much right to a princely title as the children of Prince Charles or Prince Andrew.

Just as happened on Prince Harry’s wedding day, when Buckingham Palace released a statement to announce his future titles, the same happened on the day Prince Edward wed Sophie Rhys-Jones.

Prince Edward’s statement, however, came with many surprises. First of all, it broke with a centuries-old tradition that children of the monarch were created Dukes upon marriage. Prince Edward became Earl of Wessex, but the statement made clear that the Royal Family intended for him to be created Duke of Edinburgh after both Charles’s accession and Prince Philip’s death.

It also announced that The Queen decided, with the consent of both Edward and Sophie, that any children the couple might have together would not be given the style His or Her Royal Highness, but instead be styled as children of an Earl.

A lot of the confusion around the Wessex children is because lots of media outlets don’t seem to know the difference between titles and styles.

They are titled as Princess and Prince, which means they have them, but they are styled as children of an Earl. Which means they don’t use them. Similar to Camilla having the title of HRH The Princess of Wales, but being styled as HRH The Duchess of Cornwall.

Sophie Wessex confirmed that the children do have the titles, but don’t use them...

Sophie opened up about why Louise and James do not have HRH titles in a rare interview last year.

She told The Times: "We try to bring them up with the understanding they are very likely to have to work for a living.

"Hence we made the decision not to use HRH titles.

"They have them and can decide to use them from 18, but I think it’s highly unlikely."

Most of us don’t have titles! Although there is nothing to stop anyone having a TRY at calling themselves the supreme imperial being or whatever. What a load of old guff it is.

OP I think you’re absolutely right and I hadn’t thought about it in that way before. My partner told me stuff about his parents before I met them and I did the same about my family, just so we knew about who we were meeting...and none of us have detailed protocols about what to say or do!

He would be the first person I would confide in if I was struggling with my mental health, particularly if he had had a therapist himself.

If what Meghan says is true, then she has been very badly let down by Harry in pretty much every aspect of her exposure to the Royal Family and all that comes with it.

I’m not a fan of any of them, but my understanding is that William deliberately took forever to propose to Catherine so that she knew exactly what she would be taking on and was prepared for it. Harry seems to have got caught up in a whirlwind romance so didn’t prepare or support Meghan at all.

I watched the documentary last night and I don’t know how I feel about it.

For some reason I warned to Megan and got out off Harry.

I imagine some of what she said was embellished, but I also think there was some truth to most of what she said.

I've said this before, what we were seeing was problems in their relationship being played out large. MM is way more more empathetic than Harry. H is more direct honest and duty bound, the latter being problematic when you have another person to think about. I actually think left alone they are fine, but with constant pressure piled on from outside or when subject to constant scrutiny where they have to defend themselves then cracks show and it will always be Meghan who is in a more vulnerable place.

I think MMs age played a part in the speed of it. They wanted a family.

Why do they want to pass on the legacy of feeling/being trapped to their son by giving him the title of Prince.

Can I say that I'm quite impressed this thread is still going, with only individual posts being deleted. Maybe they're no longer allegedly paying retainer fees for whichever law firm was scouring the web and holding the website owners accountable for what's written on their forums...

@TimeToParty I am seeing quite a lot blaming Harry on here as in why hadn't prepared her more , why he didn't help her more etc etc
The thing is if you make a public show like this then people will comment and thats to be expected, they made some strong allegations and we will never hear the other side.
I don't think you can blame Meghan for Harry and I always find that strange people say that , he is a grown man and responsible for his own actions.
Personally from that interview my view on Meghan has not changed much , I prob have a little more sympathy for her but my opinion if Harry has gone down , especially cutting off of money , that just came off as entitled and spoilt.
Where as before I had no real opinion in them as such , neither liked or disliked.

She has every sign of being a manipulative person. Everything she said was so measured and rehearsed. Very little genuine emotion beyond that which she wanted to display.

Harry seems angry, arrogant and paranoid. I dont think he would ever be satisfied. Its not unreasonable to think that he went from one very controlled environment to another (the army) and then another (Megan).

[quote TimeToParty]@Aspiringmatriarch I agree.

This thread and all the others just demonstrate how sexist and horrible women can be about other women.

Again and again we see the trope that this is all Meghan’s doing, she’s conniving, sly, Harry was fine until she came along, etc etc.

She may not be a nice person, I have no idea, but neither does anyone on mumsnet or any of our shitty press. But still the harmful stereotype of a bitchy woman is pushed on her.

And those who dismissed her depression and suicidal thoughts... really?! Come on. We live in a day and age where we’re all educated enough about depression to understand it’s not just “feeling weepy” and maybe she couldn’t “just call someone”. That’s not how depression works. And even if she is a liar like everyone loves to claim, that doesn’t mean that another woman with depression didn’t just read those nasty posts and now feels even worse about how she’s struggling herself. Don’t dismiss mental illnesses.

I also firmly believe that from day one there’s been an undercurrent of racism from the British towards her. Press and public. Plenty of women used to fawn over Harry for some odd reason and as soon as he started dating Meghan there was a lot of the old “can’t put my finger on why, but I just don’t like her”.

She has the nerve to be not white or British, and an outspoken woman. That’s why she’s had shit from the start.[/quote]
Totally agree...
Women are the worst enemy of women...
That is why in 2021 we haven't improved our position in society...

Team Queen!

Her statement certainly had more impact than the 2 hours of whingeing from H&M!

Very surprised this thread is still here, thought it would've gone poof by the time I looked this morning

[quote ChocolateSantaisthebestkind]@RootyT00t you've obviously drunk the koolaid and that's fine, we can disagree. To me, there are too many coincidences and inaccuracies for poor me, lil ole me crap to be true. She is a shrewd woman not an ingenue except when it suits her of course[/quote]
The what?

@Ijustknowitstimetogo

Do you usually decide whether you like someone based on their looks?

Nasty.

No. They’re not mutually exclusive.

Right.

But you said I don't dislike her, she's beautiful facially,

Then went on to call her a narcissist.

@BrendaWindsor

Lots of threads on the royal family at the moment. Has there been something in the news about them?

🙄

Meanwhile in Brazil the pandemic is becoming like an atom bomb...

@donewithitalltodayandxmas

However, she said they were also told that changes were going to be made so he doesn’t become titled when Charles becomes King either. Did she actually say that though ?

Yes. She specifically said they had been informed that the protocols would be changed so that he would lose his right to the title of Prince which, as things stand, would be his automatic right when Charles becomes King.

I've no doubt that there are racists in the RF. Princess Michael of Kent springs immediately to mind. The same is true of many UK families. Not full-blown KKK supporters, but, by today's standards, there are lots of Unwoke relatives who say embarrassing things at weddings. But I don't think Race is the main issue here.

If you think back to the beginning, when a starry-eyed Harry first told William that he'd met this fantastic girl and it was serious, it's easy to see why the family weren't quite as delighted as he was. American, divorced, actress. All 3 are red flags as far as the RF is concerned: Edward and Wallis topped off with the Prince and the Showgirl cliche.

America is all about equality. The RF is the opposite. Its founding principle is inherited power through primogeniture. When there's an heir, the spare grows up knowing that he is not equal to his older sibling. Margaret, Andrew, Harry - it's difficult being second-best.

It's well-known that Harry is fragile. The speed with which the relationship seems to have progressed was another alarm bell. The fact that Megan is such a beauty was a disadvantage. Easy to see why he'd been swept off his feet. Sure, Meghan had worthy credentials, but so do Angelina Jolie and Madonna. Starry glamour is a negative for staying power.

Above all, the marriage needed to last. Again, look at the history. Margaret, Charles, Andrew, Anne. For Harry's sake, as much as anything else. They wanted him to be happy.

Of course, they would have done a few searches as soon as they knew her name. But, going on her photo alone, I doubt v much that 'Black' was the first thing on their minds.

People underestimate the Commonwealth. It's seen as a relic of empire, which it is, but a positive one. I do think that the Queen and Charles would have seen Meghan's racial background in the same light. Possibly some reservations about an extra layer of difficulty for Harry to navigate? I don't know. But not personally towards Megan or Archie. More likely that H&M seized on it as a sure-fire winner in rebutting criticism of their departure.

I was with them all the way till they left Canada for L.A. Meghan says there was no plan. But at that point, it felt as if we'd been played and I'd had enough.

I often wonder how things would have turned out if Diana had worn a seatbelt.