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Team Meghan or Team Windsor?

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QueenofTheCandles · 08/03/2021 10:13

Yes - Team Meghan

No - Team Windsor

Nothing - Don’t really care!

OP posts:
icdtap · 08/03/2021 11:15

If you claim someone has made racist comments, then either name them or shut up. It’s not fair to just drop that and invite all the inevitable speculation. They knew exactly what they were doing. Disgusting actually.

One senior member of the royal family is well known for his racist comments. I agree that she should have said who it was.

Plus, I’m fed up of her claiming she speaks for black women. Yes her mother is black, but MM would not encounter the same kind of racism in everyday life as the average black woman because frankly, nobody would have a clue she was mixed-race if she didn’t tell them.

I had absolutely no idea she was mixed-race until this was talked about in the press a lot. She looks exactly like a couple of Spanish friends of mine.
My impression of her is that every time she gets bad press she immediately plays the racism card. I am not saying that there is no racism at play here, but a lot of the bad press has related to her behaviour and the way she apparently treats people. She would be called out for this behaviour if she was white too.

Peppafrig · 08/03/2021 11:15

I would like to hear both sides of the story I won’t take everything Harry and Meghan say as fact. It’s easy to make accusations and not back them up.

fabulousspider · 08/03/2021 11:15

I really feel for meghan. Gagged over the allegations, refused permission to seek MH support. Questioned over the skin tone of her baby and bullied in the national press. Not to mention the awful piers morgan stirring the pot relentlessly and whipping up hate.

Regardless of the fact that they have money, and have done deals (to help ensure their own security and pay for security outside of the RF) they are humans. People seem to forget that.

The behaviour of the palace not to correct stories, and timing of slanderous information is not how a family should behave towards its own family member and his wife and child. How sad would you be if your family treated you like Meghan had been treated?

FuckyouBrennan · 08/03/2021 11:16

@foxhat I’m assuming the nanny passed it on and he’s ran with it.
My sons was no. Still a firm favourite of his, actually.

midsomermurderess · 08/03/2021 11:17

Team adult?

FuckyouBrennan · 08/03/2021 11:18

It smacks that they’ve binge watched The Crown season 4 to me.

Mental health issues - “the sisters” were hidden away in an institution and recorded as dead.
Diana - he has seen the crown, took it as gospel and now hates his father and camilla for the way his mother was treated.

PatchworkElmer · 08/03/2021 11:19

I think the truth is somewhere in the middle. Would love to know what the heck was so controversial about those flower girl dresses though- they looked utterly ‘standard’ to me!

Rollmopsrule · 08/03/2021 11:20

I love it people come on the thread to tell Op off Grin
I'll play along .....
I'm undecided. Can't understand Harry's decision to do this. Why couldn't the issues be dealt with privately which is why I'm a bit cynical about the whole thing.

NotTerfNorCis · 08/03/2021 11:20

Yeah Piers Morgan is really invested in this isn't he? Something about how he used to be friends with Meghan and then she dropped him? He seems obsessed.

Dacquoise · 08/03/2021 11:20

@Susie477

The monarchy is a ridiculous outdated irrelevant institution which should be abolished when the Queen, for whom I have considerable personal respect, dies.

Couldn't agree with you more.

dontdisturbmenow · 08/03/2021 11:21

Meghan must know this. I am sure someone has explained this to her at some point
Of course, but a deaf man only hears what he wants to hear, and giving birth to a prince was high in her agenda, so not getting what she wanted deserves a tantrum.

What is sad us how she's got Harry so wrapt up around her finger.

Everleigh2021 · 08/03/2021 11:21

Good call mnhq

Fuckadoodledoooo · 08/03/2021 11:21

@NotTerfNorCis

Yeah Piers Morgan is really invested in this isn't he? Something about how he used to be friends with Meghan and then she dropped him? He seems obsessed.
He's a sad twat angry that she didn't want to be friends with her. He strikes me as a sad little man who doesn't like being knocked back. She dented his ego.
VanillaIce · 08/03/2021 11:23

I agree we all need to know a lot more about the flower girl dresses. Did Meghan want them in neon flashing boob tubes and mini skirts or something?

Angelica789 · 08/03/2021 11:24

Anybody who seriously wanted closure and privacy would not have done this interview.

It’s a calculated PR move for them. The most telling thing for me is that according to them every person within the ‘firm’ from courtiers to family are against them, yet they go out of their way to praise the Queen. They’re aware nothing good would come from criticising her. Yet she heads up the entire organisation. How can she be absolved of blame? If this was really going on then the Queen is as guilty as anyone and it’s absurd to treat her like a little old lady who just wanted to be kind.

OuiOuiKitty · 08/03/2021 11:24

@fabulousspider

I really feel for meghan. Gagged over the allegations, refused permission to seek MH support. Questioned over the skin tone of her baby and bullied in the national press. Not to mention the awful piers morgan stirring the pot relentlessly and whipping up hate.

Regardless of the fact that they have money, and have done deals (to help ensure their own security and pay for security outside of the RF) they are humans. People seem to forget that.

The behaviour of the palace not to correct stories, and timing of slanderous information is not how a family should behave towards its own family member and his wife and child. How sad would you be if your family treated you like Meghan had been treated?

I really feel for meghan. Gagged over the allegations, refused permission to seek MH support

I dont understand who you can have a secret wedding but can't figure out how to book an appointment with a Dr? How were they able to pick up the phone to the archbishop but not a therapist?

VicarofDibley · 08/03/2021 11:24

I have no idea if the racism statement is true .If it is then it is rich coming from Harry considering he wore a nazi uniform .I respect the Queen but once she passes the Royal family should be abolished ,that isn't going though .It is archaic in this day and age .Harry and Megan in my eyes are a pair of ungrateful ,spoilt whingers .Look how she treated her dad .She married a Royal she knew what it involved .If i was the Queen i would strip them of their titles and disown them.

BalancedIndividual · 08/03/2021 11:25

Team Queen

(She is the last royal imo. Idc about the rest)

Peppafrig · 08/03/2021 11:27

Even mentioning the Kate made me cry over flower girl dresses was petty . Geez I’ve been a bridesmaid so many times and things can get emotional and blown out of proportion in the lead up to weddings. I cried a lot in the lead up to mine and I had 150 guests not the world watching. It was like she was trying to stick the knife in to Kate and that’s all she could come up with .

PatchworkElmer · 08/03/2021 11:27

@Rollmopsrule I think the ‘why’ is because they can’t just shrug off the ‘untruths’ that the media have spread about them. It clearly really rankles. I thought it was bizarre to bring up the flower girl dress debacle (there are clearly bigger issues to discuss!) but MM obviously really resents that particular story.

I can understand it, DH and I are estranged from his family and the crap that’s been spread about us... including random extended family members emailing to repeat stories and ask DH to apologise to MIL. We’ve chosen the ‘dignified silence’ route- I know I’m a good person, as do the people I care about do too, so sod the others. However MM and Harry’s situation is on a astronomically larger scale obviously- and they’re clearly both fragile and struggling with not being in control of the narrative.

patternnews · 08/03/2021 11:27

Middle ground. I think the monarchy is outdated, though I don't dislike them as individuals. I think Meghan and Harry got hounded by the press, which must be unpleasant, much of the coverage seemed racist, and it must also have been horrific for H because of what happened to Diana. But at the same time, literally ALL of their privilege is due to H being royal. Even their 'independence' is down to cashing in on that status, so I'd have more respect if M went back to acting and H got a job.

I think idea that M could be banned from getting mental health treatment sounds ridiculous. I just don't believe that if you want to see a doctor and you're a member of the royal family, that you'd have to go through a few gatekeepers first, who might ban you from getting treatment. This isn't naive Diana in the 80s, it's confident, modern people in their 30s FFS. And the younger royals have been mental health ambassadors since before H met M, so you'd think H would have had the awareness and sense to sort this out, even if M wasn't in a state to be assertive.

I do think they've experienced racism, but e.g. my bf from school is in a mixed race marriage and her dad made crass comments about hoping the kids would have pale skin. Which is racist and nasty, but it's also from a man who is now in his 80s, so grew up in an era when sexism and racism were, unfortunately, quite normal. If it was William who had the skin colour conversation then that would be horrifying, but if it was Philip or Charles, then it's probably not unusual for people of their ages, class and narrow upbringings to think those kind of stupid things. And we know that Philip, at least, is unable to keep his narrow-minded thoughts to himself, so, unacceptable though it might be, surely it would be expected from an older member of a reactionary institution like the monarchy, and not really shocking, more something for an eye-roll and maybe a family meeting or whatever they have, to say that this kind of crap isn't acceptable now. I know a few old Etonians through work, and I find it hard to believe that anyone could go through that school and come out a shrinking violet who isn't able to call a doctor or call someone out for being offensive.

As individuals I have sympathy for their distress, but I think they're self-indulgent and it's ridiculous to think that doing a highly publicised interview is going to get the press off their backs. I also think they should own the fact that part of 'their truth' is that they are cashing in on the royal connection, because Oprah wouldn't interview Jo Bloggs off the street whose bigoted in-laws made her feel unwelcome.

So, I'm not on anyone's team, I think they should all just keep quiet and get on with their lives.

DrSbaitso · 08/03/2021 11:27

Oh ffs, stop it.

ssd · 08/03/2021 11:27

Nothing

Springersrock · 08/03/2021 11:27

Team 6 of One and Half a Dozen of the Other

A billionaire interviewing two millionaires in their $16m Montecito manson on how awful their lives have been

And this ^^

MissingLinker · 08/03/2021 11:28

I'm not sure I can quite get behind the idea that it's "tasteless because we're in a Global Pandemic". There's always something going on. You don't get the same level of complaints about celebrity interviews which occur at the same time as conflict in Yemen or the Syrian civil war or the persecution of the Rohingyas. Or just general absolute poverty.

Let's face it, the entire fucking charade of the whole family is pretty tasteless. Anachronisms aside, they are the absolute height of dysfunction, yet are celebrated and dragged out at regular intervals so vacuous idiots can fawn over how pretty Kate's coat is. There are many things I like about this country- some are old fashioned, some are inefficient- but the royal family is an absolute embarrassment.

This interview isn't a betrayal of the royal family, it's a pretty accurate reflection of them. This is what happens when someone is brought up in the most extreme material privilege but has to be groomed into believing that he is fundamentally better than most of the country based on who his parents were (and Harry doesn't strike me as the sharpest tool in the box but I can't imagine he or many of the others actually believes in the divine right of kings).
Or that upholding the institution of the monarchy comes before any idea of family or humanity.
Or being brought up in front of the press.
Or being paraded through the streets behind his mother's coffin as people who never met her wailed and screamed from the sidelines.

The sooner we get rid the better.

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