Team Meghan or Team Windsor?

[QueenofTheCandles]

Yes - Team Meghan

No - Team Windsor

Nothing - Don’t really care!

I get that there were people at home sniggering or eye-rolling throughout the sermon.

But you’re really saying you would have been so staggeringly rude as to do so if you were there in person? Really? Everybody you know would have done that?

Surely not.

[quote Wondermule]@Paquerette I watched the wedding with my friend who is a huge supporter of the monarchy. It was so fun watching her squirm and try to justify all the unconventional choices 😂 at the end of the sermon she gave up![/quote]
Why? Tbh I don't quite understand why anyone would make fun of the sermon save for it going in a tad long. If you read the text, it all makes perfect sense. And it contains some powerful messages.

www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/05/20/612798691/bishop-michael-currys-royal-wedding-sermon-full-text-of-the-power-of-love

I happen to be a white Roman Catholic and I thought the underlying message was clear and appropriate. . If people are criticising the style in which it was delivered, or the tone in which it was delivered, because it was "different" to that they are used to in a white Protestant Church of England church, then careful, because that is approaching uncomfortable territory.

@HmmmmmmInteresting

That is such an interesting clip about privacy. Completely cut out of the interview we saw. I agree. WHY? Is it because it shines a light on the media and what they do?

Meghan comes across very well in it, and I agree with every single word

There cannot be one person on these M&H threads who doesn't agree with what she says.

There are enough threads on here about how a MIL has put up a picture of your baby on FB, how dare she, and that sort of thing.

twitter.com/lewisa95/status/1369436176596299777?s=19

@HmmmmmmInteresting

Harry and Meghan have never said they want privacy. That's what the Daily Hate keep peddling and the morons lap it up.

Funny how ITV cut this scene out of the interview to continue the false narrative:

twitter.com/lewisa95/status/1369436176596299777?s=19

See how you are all being controlled.

I see you’ve made the same mistake as the person who shared it on Twitter, by assuming ITV edited it out. The first post below the clip makes it clear it didn’t appear in the US version either. Are the US viewers being ‘controlled’ too, @HmmmmmmInteresting?

It was a three-hour interview edited down to one hour and 25 minutes. A lot of footage wasn’t shown in the main interview - including the entire discussion around Meghan’s own family. Who’s doing the controlling there?

What it sounds like if she wants to be and believe she has a right to be in full control of the media, that is, make use of it when it benefits her but throwing the privacy card when it doesn't.

The media don't work like that. It's a mechanism on its own, not a mean to suits people's aspirations.

It seem to reflect a lot of how she sees the world, wanting the good part of what's on offer, not what doesn't suit her. I really hope this won't refect next on her marriage.

I’m only skimming through so not sure if it’s been mentioned
There are reports in several papers that Kate did indeed take flowers to Meghan to apologise.
Meghan supposedly slammed the door in her face and threw the flowers away
That wasn’t mentioned in the interview with Oprah

@Nanasueathome

I’m only skimming through so not sure if it’s been mentioned There are reports in several papers that Kate did indeed take flowers to Meghan to apologise. Meghan supposedly slammed the door in her face and threw the flowers away That wasn’t mentioned in the interview with Oprah

I saw those too, along with a few saying the original story was solidly sourced.

When will Camilla get her Oprah interview to discuss the hate and vitriol she received from the media and much of the general public?

I can't imagine that Kate took those flowers round to her personally or that Meghan would open her own front door ( the security team would not allow this and the flowers probably have to be checked first too I would imagine. These are high profile people here after all.
IF this is true, then it throws everything back into Meghans court. Is this another lie? Did this happen ? How do we know the flowers did end up in the bin?
I've no idea now what to think about any of this.
Meghan said the palace put out false accusations about her and this could be another one? She would say it's not true wouldn't she?

@Moonmelodies

When will Camilla get her Oprah interview to discuss the hate and vitriol she received from the media and much of the general public?

When she quits being a working royal, moves abroad and is no longer bound by the protocol, I guess.

Team Queen!

The statement said so much more in those short paragraphs than H&M in their 2 hour whinge-fest!

@the80sweregreat

I can't imagine that Kate took those flowers round to her personally or that Meghan would open her own front door ( the security team would not allow this and the flowers probably have to be checked first too I would imagine. These are high profile people here after all. IF this is true, then it throws everything back into Meghans court. Is this another lie? Did this happen ? How do we know the flowers did end up in the bin? I've no idea now what to think about any of this. Meghan said the palace put out false accusations about her and this could be another one? She would say it's not true wouldn't she?

At the time Meghan and Harry were living in the cottage in Kensington Palace - so Kate going round works in that context.

This whole story is a bit messy tbh. I almost veer towards it all being sort of true - some sort of silly spat which does happen in the run up to weddings, Kate maybe upset and leaves, Meghan gets upset, possibly both cry without the other realising. Kate cools down, maybe thinks "ah ffs, I need to smooth this over", takes flowers. There's been a few stories about her being a bit of a peacemaker so it's possible she did that if she wasn't really in the wrong - and maybe nobody was IYSWIM, just a daft clash.

Whether M chucked the flowers and slammed the door? Who knows.

Different people would take the flowers gesture in different ways. To some it would be a peace offering, to others an admission of guilt.

I have to wonder what Harry hoped would be achieved with bringing up the discussion around Archie’s skin tone. He caused a lot of speculation as to who said it due to being so non specific about who and what was said, then there is the confusion as to when it was said. I think MM has been treated appallingly by some of the media and some of it is racist. Could a member of RF also directed racism towards MM, of course and that is worrying but I’m not sure the way it has been hinted at by Harry and MM is particularly helpful- it isn’t like the RF are come out and address publicly. You also have to remember that Harry had said how damaging the media has been on his own mental health in the past and although he has never spoken about it directly, his parents various bombshell interviews have probably affected him. In future Archie is going to see that a member of his family made racist comments about him and the other bombshells- with MM and Harry suggesting his lack of title is to do with his black heritage.
It seemed that Harry may want to reconcile in future given he said time is a great healer but that may be difficult for Archie when he is older given what has been said about him, which MM and Harry have chosen to share with the world. I would of hoped that Harry would of learnt from the impact of his parents own interviews on him and not to have not brought Archie into it but he did and that’s out there for Archie to see now forever.

@Nanasueathome

I’m only skimming through so not sure if it’s been mentioned There are reports in several papers that Kate did indeed take flowers to Meghan to apologise. Meghan supposedly slammed the door in her face and threw the flowers away That wasn’t mentioned in the interview with Oprah

It’s interesting that all we know about the flower girl dresses row is that it happens, and there are two versions of who made who cry. No confirmation of how bad the row was and what sparked it.

If Meghan overheard Kate say to Camilla, ‘I’m not keen on those dresses, are you?’, and Meghan went bridezilla - well, that’s awkward, but not uncommon when it comes to weddings. Hardly earth-shattering.

If, on the other hand, Kate went full-on diva and screamed, ‘No WAY is my daughter wearing this!! No fucking WAY in HELL!’ and stormed out, I’m not surprised Meghan cried, and wouldn’t blame her for binning a bunch of carnations.

Yeah... garage flowers at that too! 😂

Hand picked, surely 🤣

I actually suspect the spat was probably something close to what's been described i.e. bloody minor. I could well see that Kate tried to give unwanted advice on what's expected and it didn't go over well, or someone was pissed that a dress didn't fit because Charlotte had grown, or whatever. I suspect the actual cause was trivial and tears were stress/hormone induced rather than due to actual severity.

Most brides are a bit fragile as the day rolls up, and the pressure would have been on this one as a major royal event, plus all the horrible hateful press Meghan has always got. I can easily believe Meghan ended up in tears over something minor, and that Kate did everything she could to make right.

By the time Archie is old enough to understand anything about what's going on, he's likely to be a prince already as Charles will probably have taken the throne, which will make all his grandchildren princes and princesses.

@DrSbaitso

Most brides are a bit fragile as the day rolls up, and the pressure would have been on this one as a major royal event, plus all the horrible hateful press Meghan has always got. I can easily believe Meghan ended up in tears over something minor, and that Kate did everything she could to make right.

I completely agree with this. The problem for me is about if the rumours of the way Meghan reacted when kate took the flowers and note apologising are true! If they are true then it paints Meghan in a very different light to the gracious forgiving person she portrayed herself to be in this interview! Happily throwing kate to the wolves while not admitting she behaved awfully as well. Plus knowing that kate can't reply publicly and defend herself!

@Roussette

Yeah... garage flowers at that too! 😂

Is that true or have you made it up?

I like Megan. I like Harry. I like the Queen.
Kate seems okay. William don't really care for or Charles.
I liked Diana too.

DrSbaitso
By the time Archie is older we will probably have a slimmed down monarchy and those not in the immediate line of succession will have largely faded into the background living their own lives from private, inherited wealth.

There's plenty of royals now who get on with royal duties, personal things and keep a low profile without courting the press. Many of the Queen's great grandchildren aren't using prince/princess titles. The option is there for those who choose it and many celebrities, who are highly accomplished in their fields, manage to raise their children out of the spotlight.

It should, theoretically, be possible for Archie to have a quieter upbringing and then move into adult life, unless his parents decide that they want the celebrity lifestyle, the talk shows, the Hello magazine releases, and choose to live in the spotlight. If as private citizens they choose the spotlight for their family then they can fund the expenses that come with choosing to chase a celebrity life.

@DrSbaitso

By the time Archie is old enough to understand anything about what's going on, he's likely to be a prince already as Charles will probably have taken the throne, which will make all his grandchildren princes and princesses.

Nope. She explicitly said that they had been told that would not happen. They are changing the rules. Funny that the first person this will apply to is mixed race.

The bombshell for me was her saying that she didn't feel she could leave to get help and they had her passport, keys, driving licence.... she believed they'd protect her but the palace PR machine didn't counteract the tabloids untrue stories.

coercive control and gaslighting writ large

If a MNetter posted that they'd married overseas, into a different culture, and that they were denied help for a MH issue, that her DHs family had taken passport, driving license, keys, that she hadn't left the compound for months, that some of her ILs seemed to dislike her because she wasn't from their culture ..... she'd be told she had a DH problem, not an IL problem.

M's DH stepped up and got his family out. Well done him.

@Nanasueathome

It was a joke!
OK I'm crap at jokes!
(But I can't see Kate driving off to Esso to pick up red carnations to give to Meghan, can you?!)

Think they brought up the skin of archie comment because people are sick of being shamed about calling out racism and being accused of pulling the (imaginary) race card.
Racism does exist and should be called out.