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QueenofTheCandles · 2021-03-08T10:13:52+00:00

Yes - Team Meghan No - Team Windsor Nothing - Don’t really care!

Mudflapsarego · 09/03/2021 16:22

Personally, I do not think the rule about not washing your dirty linen in public applies when your faces are already all over the newspaper and the press (and whoever) are making up stories about you. In those circumstances I think it makes sense to try and control the narrative a bit.

People forget that Diana was really very discreet and loyal until Charles's friends started publically briefing against her. Remember how shocked we were when the Andrew Morton book came out and the events described in it turned out to be true! We had only known snippets up to then and the public thought that it wasn't possible she could have been treated so badly. And yet the opposite was the case. Up until then, the RF had wanted Diana to go away quietly and not make a scene over the fact that her DH had been in love with someone else from the day she married him, and that she was supposed to maintain the pretence of their marriage for the nation. Yes her speaking out would undoubtedly have hurt her DC, but maybe she felt that living a lie would have hurt them more?

To me the H & M interview had very similar overtones. Put up and shut up, except this time it was about racism in addition to misogyny. It's funny how the phrase "washing your dirty linen in public" only applies to the women in the RF. When Prince Andrew speaks out on Newsnight, the Queen publicly endorses him by being seen in his company driving to church!

I didn't like the way that Kate was hung out to dry last night, and overall I am not a huge fan of Meghan and Harry tbh, as it seems tone deaf to be doing this now when so many people's lives have been destroyed by Covid, but the fact that this huge inter-familial spat has developed in the first place rather points to the case that things have been handled badly by the Palace and I'm afraid that goes back to the Queen. It seems unfair saying that about a 94 year old, but imho, it would have been prudent of her to abdicate and slim down the whole shebang over ten years or more ago, (other European monarchies have done this very successfully) and then the issue about which minor royals get which titles wouldn't have arisen in the first place.

Roussette · 09/03/2021 16:31

Great post Mud
Although I slightly disagree with your 'everything goes back to the Queen'.
At her age honestly, she is Queen in name only really. That's what I think. She's 94 and the Palace will be run by the courtiers with Charles on the side. The men in grey suits as Diana called them
They are the powerful ones, they set the Agenda.

Oh yes, she very publicly endorsed Andrew a matter of 12 hours after 'the' interview aired.
That's when I went off of the whole shebang to be honest.

ajandjjmum · 09/03/2021 16:38

[quote Jangirl2018]@ajandjjmum

You asked if there was proof that Doria was not supporting her. From what I said, she clearly wasn't there, physically

So you can state that with absolute certainty can you? And there could be many reasons for this, or things going on that were not visible to the general public. The truth is no one knows the reasons, so seems a bit disingenuous to now start dragging Doria into this. No doubt, if Doria had been visibly on the scene she would’ve been labeled the meddling mother living on taxpayers money. Doria has kept a low profile and shut her mouth the entire time and you are questioning the level of support she gave her daughter. Why I wonder? Seems futile. Attack Meghan to the death as you all are, by all means, but Doria didn’t ask for this did she??[/quote]
You seem to be intent on arguing with yourself. Have fun!

Almondmilkgranola · 09/03/2021 16:43

@Roussette

StatisticallyChallenged I like your post.

I agree... I think expectations were wrong on both sides. The RF just absorb a newcomer into 'the firm' and expect that person just to do it. To understand the protocols, the stuffy and archaic way of doing things. How could any modern woman who'd had a career just get it? Harry could've explained until he was blue in the face but until you live something, you really really don't know what it's like.

All this 'never complain never explain' tosh is pathetic. It's an excuse for not being accountable. Maybe if they 'explained' a bit more, these sort of crises would not keep happening. Sarah Ferguson, Diana, Meghan.
They must be stupid and blinkered if they don't realise they are not doing it right. Yes Kate and William are working... but are they happy? I'm not so sure personally. I hope so.
I dread to think what life is going to be like for George's wife... or what life will be like for the two spares Charlotte and Louis

It's Kate in Diana's position and William, in my view, learnt the right lessons from his Mother's experience. Though he and Kate met young they waited years to marry, she learnt how to handle the press attention, learnt the ropes, he made absolutely sure this was the life she wanted and was as well prepared as anyone marrying in could be for it.

William has always been said to be close to Kate's family and has taken great pains to ensure they can continue to be a big part of Kate and their children's lives post marriage so she has their love and support in the background.

Harry should have paid far more consideration to all of that, for his children's sake as much as Meghan's.

I reckon Will & Kate will prepare Charlotte and Louis well. Harry and Andrew may draw more headlines but Anne and Edward have done an excellent job.Charles' plans for slimming down the monarchy will put paid to playboy princes travelling the globe with tax payer funded RPO's in tow.

I don't agree the Queen and Charles could have done any more for Harry and Meghan in the very short time they lived here together, in fact perhaps they were given too much. It was probably the right strategy though. They were at the wedding with Oprah, they all knew this interview was coming one day! If they kept some distance that'll be why there wasn't more substance to it so good for them. I blame Harry the most, he's treated the Queen, Philip, Charles, Camilla, William & Kate appallingly.

Jangirl2018 · 09/03/2021 16:47

@ajandjjmum

great comeback, really nailed it! and I am having fun sweet x

SpringisSpinning · 09/03/2021 16:53

Oprah never delved deeper into this shadowy organisation who runs the firm!?

Megan clearly said it's separate, she said she's on good terms with the Queen and they both made it'seem like others.. non royals thwarting their plans...

SpringisSpinning · 09/03/2021 16:56

Her dad seems like a narc always all about him...no wonder the other DC like this.

Megan's mum the cut above.interesting why no one that side come out for her

Mudflapsarego · 09/03/2021 17:05

@Roussette

Great post Mud Although I slightly disagree with your 'everything goes back to the Queen'. At her age honestly, she is Queen in name only really. That's what I think. She's 94 and the Palace will be run by the courtiers with Charles on the side. The men in grey suits as Diana called them They are the powerful ones, they set the Agenda.

Oh yes, she very publicly endorsed Andrew a matter of 12 hours after 'the' interview aired.
That's when I went off of the whole shebang to be honest.

In a way Rousette that is my point - about the Queen being Queen in name only now. All the more reason for her to have abdicated and handed it over to someone who could take control of the men in grey suits. Ridiculous to have all those factions squabbling among one another - and taxpayer money going to support the different set-ups.

If they do continue, they should have one central hq and one person in charge and one set of courtiers to whom everyone reports. Slim the whole thing down.

JackieWeaverHandforthCouncil · 09/03/2021 17:06

It’s probably true that it’s not the actual Royal family who were being dicks to H&M but the shadowy figures behind them which Diana also had a problem with.

It’s like those films with royals, there are always very old families and Dukes and stuff who hold more power than the King or Queen and are always plotting to have monarchs removed and replaced by a different line. Amazing that it still goes on now. It’s like the monarch is the head of a corporate and they need to keep the board happy or they’re off.

sst1234 · 09/03/2021 17:07

If there is one thing Meghan did successfully in relation to clearing up misperceptions is that she is definitely not the dominant one, she did not steal poor Harry away from the family. He came across really badly, the entitlement was staggering and he showed his true self which is far removed from the harmless, fun loving, easily led spare.

StatisticallyChallenged · 09/03/2021 17:17

I think you might be right @Almondmilkgranola in a lack of trust. I've also come across a fair few stories suggesting Meghan was leaking to the press early on, which if true they likely would have known about. Kate especially seems to have quite a tight group of family and friends around her - she strikes me as the type who is probably quite guarded with new people.

I know there are affair rumours but the long courtship with Kate seems to have worked relatively well in terms of integration in to the family and the institution. William is supposed to have spoken to Harry about going to fast and likely issues as a result - it was portrayed as him being mean and seems to have offended Harry, but it also looks like he was right in that full steam ahead didn't work well

Roussette · 09/03/2021 17:38

@Mudflapsarego

I agree. Other European royal houses have done it. Admittedly in Spain they had to!

And Jackie oh yes, there will be a lot of powerful people who are dictating exactly what goes on.

Jbon9087 · 09/03/2021 17:45

If there is one thing Meghan did successfully in relation to clearing up misperceptions is that she is definitely not the dominant one, she did not steal poor Harry away from the family.

I always HATED this assumption that M came along and 'stole" a grown man. It's the sexist part of the entire Megan equation. Unless he's a child how could any woman steal a man close to 40? It goes hand in hand with the idea that all women are schemers, liars and cheats and its time we dropped the stereotype.

somethingonthecarpet · 09/03/2021 17:56

The truth is, the press don't like women. Look what they're stirring up about Carrie Symonds currently. And look how they dissed Theresa May but bigged up Boris until she was out and he was in. Disgraceful.

somethingonthecarpet · 09/03/2021 17:58

I also think the only people coming out of this with any dignity are Trevor Engelson and Doria Ragland.

OliviaBensonsEyebrow · 09/03/2021 18:01

You seem to be intent on arguing with yourself. Have fun!

Yep, this poster has been arguing with herself on this thread already.

somethingonthecarpet · 09/03/2021 18:01

Zara Philips' facial expression - caught on camera - during the sermon at H&M's wedding was disgusting. Put me right off her, and I'd previously thought she was OK.

OliviaBensonsEyebrow · 09/03/2021 18:01

Palace have just released a statement. Just had a news alert.

ivykaty44 · 09/03/2021 18:03

the press turned on Fergie, whilst Diana was the golden sister in law. this is history repeating itself with racism added hatefully. Fergie didn't really fit and neither did MM for whatever reasons. the firm doesn't bend to fit you, you have to fit and therefore bend

Eaumyword · 09/03/2021 18:04

@somethingonthecarpet

Zara Philips' facial expression - caught on camera - during the sermon at H&M's wedding was disgusting. Put me right off her, and I'd previously thought she was OK.

She did say something about this later - she was hugely pregnant, was in need of a wee and was really uncomfortable and the sermon was going on for aaages. I remember watching it myself and thinking, ooh he's finished, then he got second, and third, and fourth wind! It did go on and on and on!

SheldonesqueIsUnwell · 09/03/2021 18:09

The family are handling this sorry mess with a lot more class and dignity than the spoilt grandson and his bride.

No chickens, no big oooooh face by Oprah and no cameras.

GetOffYourHighHorse · 09/03/2021 18:10

@OliviaBensonsEyebrow

Palace have just released a statement. Just had a news alert.

Perfect statement imo, brief and the subtle. 'Recollections may differ' comment will no doubt infuriate them. The 2 or 3 short sentences make H&M's 2 hours gut spilling moan on a gossip show look incredibly cringeworthy.

Butteredtoast55 · 09/03/2021 18:12

'Recollections may vary' hey?

Butteredtoast55 · 09/03/2021 18:14

Eaumyword

I agree. He was a fabulous character and brought real spiritual oomph to the ceremony but he did spin out his moment in the spotlight. I think if we all watched it again now, away from the euphoria and loveliness of the day, we would be thinking 'OK, we get it'

Bluntness100 · 09/03/2021 18:18

That statement is a masterclass in public relations. It shuts it down and is dignified and classy. And quite frankly puts Harry and Meghan in their place and makes their actions look really quite grubby. Sometimes less is more.

I feel embarrassed for them.