To think that a 6 year sentence is excessive

[Frenchfancy]

And that à man in the same circumstances would never have been given such a sentence.

Obviously she should be punished and never teach again, but 6 years!
www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/breaking-married-teacher-35-who-23612495

I think it should be more and I think men should get more too.

We shouldn't be looking to reduce hers down to what men get as a sort of justification. It suggests her crime isn't as bad as its made out. It is as disgusting and horrific as similar crimes committed by men.

Men do get off easier and this is because they use the mentality that young teenage girls 'should know better' and they are victim blamed from a young age so their role in this will influence that outcome with a male perpetrator in a patriarchal judicial system.

We should be increasing the time of all sex offenders - women and men to what they deserve to the maximum sentence possible for ALL. To reflect the nature of the crime and allow the victim justice.

Not at all excessive. She's a paedophile. Some of the comments posted on this story in the Manchester Evening News are pretty despicable, excusing her behaviour because she's 'fit' and saying he's a lucky lad. Made me feel sick to be honest. I have a ds14 and I am glad she's away from young people for now.

Sounds fair.
She sounds completely sex obsessed. 6 times a day and demanding it whenever she wanted it, put her ex off.

[quote Ijustknowitstimetogo]The problem isn’t this sentence. The problem is men are often given a shorter sentence eg this teaching assistant:

www.ledburyreporter.co.uk/news/18796958.teacher-assistant-jailed-sex-underage-girl/[/quote]
That sounds low even if you take guilty plea and remorse in account 👀

You're focusing on the terminology and not the deed

No. It's perfectly possible to make a comment about terminology while still being focussed on the deed and the content of story in the OP's post.

Someone else picked up on the misuse of the term, and I made a comment implying that it's commonplace on MN to misuse it.

At no point did I imply or assert that this in any way lessens the seriousness of what the teacher in the OP's post has done, or that it diminishes the seriousness of any such similar crime.

People are, broadly speaking, perfectly capable of making pedantic points about language, indulging in cheap digs about the propensity for mumsnetters to indulge in hyperbolic rants, and still fully acknowledge the seriousness of crimes against children perpetrated by people in positions of trust.

I totally understand your anger at abusers attempting to lessen the gravity of their crimes, but nobody is 'deflecting' anything here.

Makes me think of the John Broadhurst case and it gives me the rage. He got less than two years for what he did to his girlfriend. I think the teacher should have got six. And people like Broadchurch should get life.

It's not excessive at all. In my eyes it's actually too short.

However the reporting and sentencing for male perpetrators are much more lenient and sympathetic and that's the real issue.

@Fembot123

I’m really hoping posters aren’t suggesting that people saying it doesn’t fall under paedophilla are defending her

I am sure they don't. No one here expressed any sympathy or defended her. Terms are a different matter.

@Fembot123

I’m really hoping posters aren’t suggesting that people saying it doesn’t fall under paedophilla are defending her

Whether she technically is one is a clinical matter and not relevant. A paraphilia is a psychiatric diagnosis. She had sex with an underage child in her charge which is illegal and a serious sex offence.

[quote Frenchfancy]And that à man in the same circumstances would never have been given such a sentence.

Obviously she should be punished and never teach again, but 6 years!
www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/breaking-married-teacher-35-who-23612495[/quote]
All I can say op is YABVU and Adam Johnson.

Need I say more

@Snoozysnoozy

You think paedophiles get less than 6 years?

They do. If they are male.

Should have been more!

Have people seen the photos of her leaving court as well with DH holding her hand? How the hell has he managed to stand by her?!

Surely only a particular type of person would advocate for less punishment for CSA.

All sexual assaults need longer/harsher punishments compared to the ones currently given out to those who are found guilty.

If it makes her an example so be it. Not too lenient!

Part of the reason the sentence is 6 years is that she took it to a full jury trial. If she had pleaded at an earlier stage she would have been looking at 4 years and be out in 2.

Adam Johnson wasn't a teacher and only served half of his sentence. His victim was vilified and dragged over the coals. Johnson's sister started Facebook campaigns and the general consensus in those circles were that his victim was a 'gold digging slut' and the real crime was Johnson being kept apart from his daughter.

You're seeking to minimise her actions. You're defending a paedophile.

That's very unfair towards that poster and others. Using correct term isn't minimising it. It's still a child being sexually abused. It doesn't make it any lesser.

Part of the reason the sentence is 6 years is that she took it to a full jury trial. If she had pleaded at an earlier stage she would have been looking at 4 years and be out in 2

Indeed.

The examples I linked to earlier were of women who admitted to their offences at the earliest opportunity and did not contest the charges.

Again, you can not juxtapose one outcome with another and draw any reasonable conclusion, when the circumstances and considerations are completely different.

I do agree though that on the whole, sentences for criminal acts of a sexual nature definitely seem overly lenient on a purely 'eyeball' basis.

Agreed @XDownwiththissortofthingX !

Are you kidding. Is this some sort of MRA bait thread?

Yes I do. Personal experience, multiple abuse of under 10s. Got 18 months.

OP is obviously saying it is not fair that a male gets such a lower sentence compared to a female. It should be a long sentence regardless of sex.

They probably mention it’s not on to shag the pupils when they train you.

@Nightbear

I’m guessing that part of the reason for the length of her sentence is that she maintained her innocence so the case had to go to trial and the boy had to testify. She deserves the sentence. It’s clear cut.

The point about teenage girls being viewed as ‘provocative’ is very true. Whenever there are threads about uniform in senior schools on here you’ll see comments made by teachers to teenage girls about how they’re ‘distracting’ to male teachers and boys if they dress in a certain way (skirt length, trouser fit and visible bras.) Girls under 16 involved in sexual relationships with men over 21 are viewed as promiscuous rather than as victims of grooming - by the police but also by social services and other agencies that should be helping them.

We're veering wildly Off-topic here but we've had female teachers on these boards say that they find short skirts awkward because their pupils don't sit appropriately when wearing them. Teachers (male or female) don't want to have to teach a class where half of them are flashing their underwear at them.