To think that a 6 year sentence is excessive

[Frenchfancy]

And that à man in the same circumstances would never have been given such a sentence.

Obviously she should be punished and never teach again, but 6 years!
www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/breaking-married-teacher-35-who-23612495

For those talking about rape. Women cannot rape as she doesn't have a penis. Woman can commit a sexual assault or an assault by penetration (when object is used).
Rape is by definition:
(1)A person (A) commits an offence if—
(a)he intentionally penetrates the vagina, anus or mouth of another person (B) with his penis,
(b)B does not consent to the penetration, and
(c)A does not reasonably believe that B consents.

It's not only about a consent. It's about the act of penetration by penis without consent.
www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/42/contents

I agree it shouldn't be reported as "having sex with him" but "sexually asaulted him". It would totally change the way some people look at this imo and it's what actually happened.

Just want to add for the bit special ones, that saying this doesn't mean I am defending her... Which one would think it's obvious, but... oh well.

@thedancingbear

This thread will be deleted by the end of the day, anyway. Whenever MN goes apeshit like this, like sticking up for a child abuser because she's a woman, the evidence always disappears.

Where has that happened??

@thedancingbear

Maybe you're not defending her, *@SchrodingersImmigrant*. But on this thread you have made the points:

-She's not technically a paedohphile, you know.
-weeel, she's not technically a rapist, it's just sexual assault
-this is horrible for her family, too.

Clear whose side you are on. Really disturbing.

How offensive and misrepresentative 😱 Wow.

@thedancingbear

Maybe you're not defending her, *@SchrodingersImmigrant*. But on this thread you have made the points:

-She's not technically a paedohphile, you know.
-weeel, she's not technically a rapist, it's just sexual assault
-this is horrible for her family, too.

Clear whose side you are on. Really disturbing.

🙄clear how your reading comprehension is.

And seriously. Are you pullinge up on agreeing with someone about her poor kids??? Fucking hell.

Have people seen the photos of her leaving court as well with DH holding her hand? How the hell has he managed to stand by her?!

I thought that too!
But by reading some of the text messages you can see how manipulative she is.

@ShadierThanaPalmTree

Are you being serious op? It's shocking that she only got 6 years, she raped him. Unfortunately, whether the perpetrator is male or female prison sentences for rape do tend to be around 6 years (3 years in the actual prison and 3 years probation). What pisses me off more is that the newspaper reported it as her having "sex" with him in a field, ummm he's 15, that's not sex, he is unable to consent...

Agreed.

It should read "took him to a field where she sexually abused him".

"They had sex" is so dismissive of the offence she has committed against him.

This thread hasn't turned out quite how I thought. I was in no was supporting child abusers. Those saying that males sentences should be longer are right, I was wrong. I apologise.

this is horrible for her family, too.

It is definitely horrible for her family too!

It’s not her children’s, mum, dad, grandparents etc fault they are nothing to do with it but I’m sure they will face criticism and abuse for years because of it.

Sorry @SchrodingersImmigrant, I have re-read your posts. You are quite right and I am being unfair.

I am slightly rattled however by the fact that the OP seeks to twist this horrible case into a point about how offences by male offenders are not properly punished. You will also have to admit that there have been a fair few posts that have sought to minimise what she has done. Against this background I wonder if this thread really is the place to raise the kinds of technicalities and nuances you have here.

^this is horrible for her family, too.

It is definitely horrible for her family too!

It’s not her children’s, mum, dad, grandparents etc fault they are nothing to do with it but I’m sure they will face criticism and abuse for years because of it.^

In fairness, this is going to hang round the victim's neck like a millstone, for the rest of his life. Though his identity is protected in the press, everyone in his community will know exactly what he is. Unfortunately he's likely to be a figure of derision.

@Frenchfancy

This thread hasn't turned out quite how I thought. I was in no was supporting child abusers. Those saying that males sentences should be longer are right, I was wrong. I apologise.

I personally think the sex of the perpetrator is irrelevant, and that sentence length should reflect the seriousness of the offence irrespective of gender, taking into account all the factors involved (eg grooming, planning, manipulation, threats to keep the victim quiet, non guilty plea - all of which are relevant in this case).

I'm aware I used sex and gender interchangeably there before anyone pedantically corrects me. I'm tired .... but I'm aware of the difference.

6 years doesn’t sound long enough.

Having read that article, no I don't think its excessive. She manipulated and groomed that child.

I have a 14 year old boy - he looks like a man but he is very much a young boy still - and it would horrify me to think that someone - especially someone in a position of trust - would go out of their way to ensure they got their kicks with a child in that way. And at the same time - how fucking stupid do you have to be to share sexual photos / videos and think that a child will not share them.

Its neither here nor there whether a man would have gotten the same sentence - we all know that many many people are given more lenient sentences than we think is necessary. In this case I believe the judge got it right.

@Frenchfancy

Yes I do. Personal experience, multiple abuse of under 10s. Got 18 months.

But that means they got too little, not that she got too much.

No I don’t think it’s excessive the proplem is so many who have sexually abused children get less of a sentence

I think because this is about a female teacher abusing a boy it has received more press

An ex teacher of mine has been in the papers recently he has a long history of sexually abusing boys He wound lift our skirts up with this walking stick and we knew he was a perv (we didn’t understand how dangerous he was and treated him as a joke which suited him) the story isn’t as scandalous as happens frequently the scandal of the story now is that he abused boys at a top private school

She taught in the school my children attended and I don't think 6 years is excessive. She had an liaison with a 15 year old pupil in the school which her own children attended!

I think it’s too lenient. How would you feel if your child was groomed and sexually assaulted by a teacher?

Probably want to rip her head off.

However - when I see pedophiles and rapists (remember the ‘oops I fell over and penetrated her’ case a few years back, or the recent case in the Netherlands where 2 men raped a woman in a cafe loo and filmed it) walk away - and I know you can’t compare apples and oranges - I wonder about how sentences can in any way be comparable.

@tapdancingmum

She taught in the school my children attended and I don't think 6 years is excessive. She had an liaison with a 15 year old pupil in the school which her own children attended!

Her own children being pupils at the same school somehow makes the whole thing even more grim....

I thought it was way too low, considering she is unlikely to even serve that long disgusts me tbh

That male teacher who ran off to France with a 15-year-old pupil got 5.5 years. And that was after pleading guilty to some charges so there would have been a slight reduction in the sentence in recognition of his guilty plea.

And she threatened the boy I read. If you tell I'll bring you down. She should have got 25 years.

@GreenlandTheMovie

But yes, male teacher charged of 5 counts of sexual activity with a 15 year old gets less than 3 years, woman gets 6 years.

The difference in the cases is that the man pleaded guilty. An early plea of guilty will result in a 33% credit for a reduction in sentence.

So, in the case linked to about that man he got sentenced to 2 years and 8 months (32 months). Since he had pleaded guilty this would imply that he was sentenced to 48 months (4 years) in prison but was then given the 1/3 credit for an early guilty plea.

The woman did not plead guilty and so did not get any reduction.

If she had've pleaded guilty at an early stage then she would have been sentenced to 4 years (6 years less 1/3)