To be annoyed that our local tescos have changed their P&C spaces to disabled.

[Jenswish]

There was a letter in the local paper from a disabled person saying that the P&C spaces weren't needed and that they should be changed to disabled ones.

Even though there is disabled spaces about 1 min walk from the door anyway.

They've now got rid of P&C spaces and replaced them with yet more disabled!! Theres about 30 of them now but no-where for the mum and kids.

Am I being evil?

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mums with babies need to walk more anyway to get some weight off their fat arses

put M&B at the far end of the carpark imo

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OliveOil

Read this title first time as '...our local heroes have...'

Appropriate, sort of. The Germsns don't do P&C spaces (except at Ikea), and seem to manage. I am always staggered at the amount and depth of ill-feeling they seem to cause in the UK. Pitting parents against disabled people, FFS.

I find the 'Why do they (they?) need more?' right at the beginning of the thread rather distasteful.

Wish i could argue, unfortunately I've already admitted to a fat arse

hee hee!
fat arse

SK

At the risk of being flamed - I'm afraid I agree with Jenswish.

This isn't about being lazy, or not wanting disabled people to have access to as many spaces as possible - but P&C spaces are LOVELY!

What pisses me off more is when non disabled people or non P&C people park in Either type of space.....

When it is peeing down with rain, and you are trying to unload shopping and toddlers the P&C spaces are a life saver.

When you are pregnant and your hips, back, legs everythgin are in agony - P&C spcaes are a real benefit.

New Mums don't get a lot sometimes (esp with unsympathetic DH's), why shouldn't we get a tiny weeny bit of spoiliing from a supermarket?

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Hear hear shrinkingsaqpuss!

So would I doodledootoo!

SK

Shrinking - what about the people who are not pregnant but still have hips, back, legs everything in agony? I'm sure they'd appreciate their own lovely spaces, too.
And once you're not aching etc why still hang on to the p&c places as a right when there might be someone more in need who just doesn't happen to have a baby/toddler?
The existence of these spaces seem to make people sooo possessive of them that they lose all sense of reason. Yes there are selfish people who grab the nearest spots. But p&c places seem to change normally rational, help your fellow man parents into rude and uncaring people who are obsessed with someone taking "their" parking spot. Someone has been on mn saying they vandalise cars if they judge that the person parked in it doesn't meet the p&c criteria. Ridiculous.

you really shouldn t moan about parking spaces, i think if you can find one then you are lucky but if not - get on with it - how big is a baby for goodness sake, why so you need all that room, all you have to do is open the door and get said baby out and then put it into the seat on the trolley. If you decide that you want to get the car seat/ buggy out as well and that is causing the space issue, then try a different way of loading your car. People who need crutches and wheelchairs etc need the space as they are disabled and need the equipment that is neccessary to their mobility.

If you have a 4x4 and need the space for that, then tough you really should have thought about access when you bought the thing. Think yourselves lucky that you have a car and a supermarket. What about the poor african children crying on the tv last night as they had been taken from their families another issue but you really should thank your lucky stars, we really do forget how lucxky we are in the grand scheme of things !!

oh itbird couldnt you say that about 3 quarters of the threads on MN?

not that i don't agree with you but "other people have it worse" is almost ALWAYS going to apply

I hate P&T spaces. They cause more ill-will than religion and hunting put together...

Yeah but there are in most cases a disproportionate amount of disabled places, there are around 30 at my local supermarket and there are never more than a couple of people using them. Whereas a parent carting a tot and shopping would have more benefit than rows of empty spaces.

P&t spaces are not comparable to disabled spaces in my book. Totally different. The argument that "they've" got more spaces than "us" just doesn't hold water. Non-disabled people, including parents with children, have the *whole" of the rest of the carpark to choose from.

Yes but when the carpark is full bar 28 places that doesn't make sense to me. If you never have 5 disabled people at any one time where is the sense in that?

Because those places should be available if any disabled person does turn up. If someone disabled could be confident that the places would be available then they might be more likely to go out in the first place. The reverse would make them unlikely to go out.

They probably got fed up with all the moaning about P&T spaces and decided to get rid of them.

30 is a lot for disabled spaces.

Have you asked them why they have done it?

I don;t think 30 is a lot for disabled spaces, suppose it depends on the size of the store. As juuule said, those places need to be there, as it can be the difference between parking or giving up and going home.

Well I can see the solution to the P&T spaces, supermarkets should put them at the farthest point from the supermarket, that way the only people who use them are mums who actually do want the extra space.

That way they are no competing with disabled spaces and no one else who doesnt have kids would want to use them.

This thread is boring Jenswish was just having a moan.
at the end of the day people choose to have children
People do not choose to be disabled.

if you can't cope with getting an able bodied small child/baby out of a car. don't have them

Not really relevant to me as I don't have a car. I WALK to the supermarket...but don't all supermarkets have trollies with childseats built into them? So what's the issue with having to be right next to the supermarket?