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MIL not feeding baby

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JenIsAGem · 02/03/2021 08:42

10mo DS now spends Mondays at MIL house for childcare while me & DH both work on Mondays.
Drop off around 8am and pick up around 5pm.

She was very keen to follow our 'routine' and asked us to write it down for her so she could stick to it. He has 3-4 7oz bottles a day usually 7am, 11am, 2pm and 6pm. He usually drinks all his milk, as well as his 3 meals.

The first time MIL looked after him she tried to give him a bottle at 11am but said he didn't want it, only drank 2oz then refused the rest. I totally accepted this because it's all new to him, he was probably distracted and confused in a partially new environment. I held hope that because he refused this, he would easily take his afternoon bottle at 2pm.

When we picked DS up at 4:30pm I could tell he was cranky and tired but he had had a big day so that's what I put it down to. He had done really well.
She called later on in the evening after DS had went to sleep to have a general chat, (we all get on great and DH and her have a lovely relationship) we asked her why only 1 bottle had been used (we packed 3 just in case) and that's when she told us she didn't make him another bottle because she didn't want to waste more milk and he ate all his pasta for lunch anyway.
All day he only had a total of 9oz when it should've been 21oz by this point!

DH tried to express how important it was to feed him the afternoon bottle as he was really hungry, wasting milk isn't an issue at all and we would rather waste milk than DS go hungry.

Fast forward to yesterday, the is second time she looked after him and the same thing happened. She didn't give him his afternoon bottle, she said 'well he ate all of his pasta for lunch so I didn't bother'.
DH had made a point about giving him this bottle when he dropped him off in the AM, also by text just to remind her that he will probably be due his afternoon bottle soon etc.

When he got home we made him a bottle straight away. I've never seen DS so hungry, he was ravenous. He gulped down a 9oz bottle (usually drinks 7oz before bed) so fast it was gone in about 60 seconds. I felt so bad for him. He was so hungry, I know he's not ready to drop this afternoon bottle yet. His routine is working fine.

AIBU to be quite annoyed with MIL about this?

YABU - I wouldn't be annoyed
YANBU - I would be annoyed too

OP posts:
TenaciousOnePointOne · 02/03/2021 13:59

[quote heart80s]@TenaciousOnePointOne that's where you went wrong. Your baby wasn't eating much as to full up on milk! [/quote]
Sorry you are wrong. He'd have his first feed when he woke up between 5-6. Then we'd have breakfast, which he would invariably not touch or suck on a bit of it with water. After sitting at the table for 30 minutes, he'd moan about getting down so he would. He'd then ask for milk, so he was fed.

He was offered food before milk every time. He wasn't interested in food until 11 months it was like a switch and he started to steal food from our plates.

When he went to nursery, he refused milk there. He'd come home and sit and fed all bloody night. He is allergic to dairy and soya which wasn't helpful at all. Listening to the 'helpful' friends who said the same as you, I took him to the GP and she was happy with his weigh, milk intake etc but offered to refer him to the nutritionalist. I happily accepted this referral as he just refused food and hoped if there was an issue that we could catch it early. By the time we saw the nutritionalist he was eating pretty well everything (and still does, the list of what he doesn't like is shorter than what he does), the nutritionalist was happy with his diet and milk intake, which hadn't reduced at 13/14months.

I'll trust both the professionals who saw my son over someone on the internet who has shown they don't have the first clue about child development.

gran62 · 02/03/2021 14:00

It’s hard to leave your baby for the first time, but assuming that your MiL is a reasonable parent and a loving granny, I think it would be kind to give her and your DS a bit longer to settle into their new routine. It’s a big change for all of you and I wonder if baby isn’t eating and drinking as usual because of the strangeness and newness of being looked after all day by someone other than his mum and dad?
I hope it all works out well 💐
assuming that she is a kind and competent person,

MrsJBaptiste · 02/03/2021 14:00

I absolutely cannot believe this thread!

"I'd never forgive her"
"There's no going back from this"
"Do not let your child see this woman again"

It's one day. One day where the grandson sees his grandparents and they have clearly been despearate to see him over lockdown. FFS, let it lie. Maybe he's been played with and given so much attention during the day that he has been absolutely fine with her?

Just feed him up when he gets home (if he actually needs feeding up after all that milk) and give him a big supper.

Nanny0gg · 02/03/2021 14:02

@CaramelWaferAndTea

Just slightly counter to this thread so far....

I think there's probably a happy medium - it's a lot of milk, and he's clearly eating. However, I would consider trying to approach this as a joint problem - what can DS have at Grandma's? What are the boundaries of acceptability? This is free childcare from someone who loves him - little about 'professional' childcare will replace that. I would think about giving her something else to give him mid-afternoon instead (so a pancake or similar - or invite her to bake something while he naps, even a batch of things so you have them?) and then view it as a transition day towards the future goal of him having less milk, rather than expecting her to follow exactly what you're doing. Maybe chat to her about it, ask her opinion, try and work together.

I realise I'm against the grain but I grew up with different rules at Grandma's and think it's great. Even now, my childminder has different rules to me and I like that, I think it offers DS variety. Please don't burn bridges over this.

Slightly counter?

There's different rules about what you play with or don't. Where you can go or can't.

But amount of food and bottles is absolutely non-negotiable.

He's a 10 month-old, not 10 year-old.

I'd ask why she actually thinks it's ok to not give him his milk. With possibly a warning that she's got one more go to do as she's asked or she's not having him on his own ever again.

And I'm a grandmother who did a lot of childcare.

Nith · 02/03/2021 14:03

She didn’t offer the PM bottle at all, we use Milton cold water steriliser and it smells very strong

Off the point, but I hope you're not giving the baby water or milk in a bottle that stinks of steriliser?

Nanny0gg · 02/03/2021 14:04

Actually @YoniAndGuy makes some very good points.

VinylDetective · 02/03/2021 14:04

@Nanny0gg

Actually *@YoniAndGuy* makes some very good points.
Ad nauseum.
JenIsAGem · 02/03/2021 14:06

@Nith

She didn’t offer the PM bottle at all, we use Milton cold water steriliser and it smells very strong

Off the point, but I hope you're not giving the baby water or milk in a bottle that stinks of steriliser?

I don't quite understand what you're trying to say here. We use a cold water steriliser, with sterilising tablets, gets changed every 24 hours. The water is sterilising so always smells of steriliser. You take a bottle out when it's due to be used, so yes it will smell sterile Hmm
OP posts:
Nanny0gg · 02/03/2021 14:07

@1forAll74

All a bit harsh on the MIL. I am sure that she would not be starving the child deliberately, the child's normal routine could be off a bit, because of being in a new environment, and circumstances. You may find that the situation would be the same,if you put your child in some day care thing.

Both my children years ago, were walking at ten months old, and quite active, and never drank that much milk a day, with also eating food.

That's your baby.

One of my GC wanted a bottle at night long past the time they should have had it. It did no harm and they found it comforting.

The OP's baby has his routine and it wouldn't kill Grandma to follow it!

Nanny0gg · 02/03/2021 14:09

@MrsJBaptiste

I absolutely cannot believe this thread!

"I'd never forgive her"
"There's no going back from this"
"Do not let your child see this woman again"

It's one day. One day where the grandson sees his grandparents and they have clearly been despearate to see him over lockdown. FFS, let it lie. Maybe he's been played with and given so much attention during the day that he has been absolutely fine with her?

Just feed him up when he gets home (if he actually needs feeding up after all that milk) and give him a big supper.

All what milk?

She's trying 1 bottle!

DrunkenKoala · 02/03/2021 14:10

Yanbu.

When my DS was that age his daily intake of food and milk was similar to your DS’s. We did have one family member who spoke about it being too much and tried to pressurise us into reducing his milk as she thought he was overweight (he was a chunk). We carried on as we were and he naturally reduced his milk intake around his 1st birthday and then through his toddler years he slimmed down.
Just wondering if MIL is worried about your baby’s weight and has taken it upon herself to do something about it herself instead of having a conversation with you? (My family member would have definitely took the opportunity to do something about my DS’s weight if she’d have been given a chance). Apart from saying DS ate all his lunch has MIL given you an explanation as to why she chose not to even try his afternoon milk?

Kokosrieksts · 02/03/2021 14:10

We are talking about a 10 month old baby, of course they need their milk. I would look for alternative childcare because she’s clearly shown “She knows better attitude” and it will go bitter further down the line .

ColdBrightClearMorning · 02/03/2021 14:14

@MrsJBaptiste

I absolutely cannot believe this thread!

"I'd never forgive her"
"There's no going back from this"
"Do not let your child see this woman again"

It's one day. One day where the grandson sees his grandparents and they have clearly been despearate to see him over lockdown. FFS, let it lie. Maybe he's been played with and given so much attention during the day that he has been absolutely fine with her?

Just feed him up when he gets home (if he actually needs feeding up after all that milk) and give him a big supper.

Two days.
MNWorldisCrazy · 02/03/2021 14:14

@lottieree

Does he really need all that milk though when he's having 3 meals a day? Surely if he got home at 5pm he's ready for his evening meal, not a bottle?

Is she giving him water to drink? This seems like a lot of fuss over a bottle of milk. He's almost one, he's not a newborn being starved, he's eating full meals by the sounds of it.

This Confused
YoniAndGuy · 02/03/2021 14:19

@VinylDetective

You seem to be a bit over invested in this thread *@YoniAndGuy*. You’ve made your point - repeatedly. I’m sure OP knows what you think now.
Maybe if everyone else stopped going on and on and on repeatedly about it being about milk, I wouldn't be.

But, point taken. No, not madly invested - just coming back to a thread when you see it pop up, as you do.

But, point taken. I'm out.

MNWorldisCrazy · 02/03/2021 14:20

@JenIsAGem

Wow this has got so many responses, didn't expect it to blow up so much!

I'm going to address some common things that keep coming up in the responses...

"Was he offered water or snacks from 12-5pm?"
I’m honestly not sure, I’ll be bringing this up when we talk about it.
I provide his sippy cup when he goes but it always comes back washed, dried and empty so I guess that’s a good sign? She’s done something with it rather than nothing.

"Isn't that way too much milk? He doesn't need that much he's nearly 1"

To all the comments regarding his milk intake, I don’t really care what your experience is with your own baby or your friends cousins baby because they are all different.
Regardless if people think it’s too much, that is mine and DH decision to make, no one else’s and especially not MIL’s.
Just read my post again to see what happened when he was withheld his bottle... he was starving! Is that not enough to prove that he is not ready to drop his milk intake just yet.
He was just under the 10th centile when born, but from about 3 months old had always been in the ‘correct’ size clothes for his age, he is perfectly healthy.
However much milk he drinks is NOT the point!

"He has 3 meals a day as well?"

When I said he has 3 meals maybe I should’ve been more clear in that he is ‘offered’ 3 meals, how much he wants of them is questionable... sometimes a lot and others not much at all. Again this is totally normal. He has been baby led weaned since about 7** months.

"Maybe she forgot or found it too hard to stick to your rigid schedule"

I have told her numerous times that it’s a rough guide, and regarding bottles those are the times he’s used to them, it’s generally every 4 hours he shows hunger cues (outside of BLW) and if he refuses the bottle just try it again in an hour or so. All the advice has changed and is changing all the time, you are no longer told to prepare formula or refrigerate it for the day etc. So I can’t prepare her bottles. All I asked regarding bottles was that she offers them, even if she didn’t think he was hungry. It’s no expense to her, I pay for his milk and I’m happy to let it to go waste rather than starve my child. She managed to time his naps perfectly as well, so the routine clearly isn’t hard to follow.

Also why ask for my routine and say you want to stick to it if you honestly think you know best? Pointless.

"Did she offer it and he refused? How would you even know?"

She didn’t offer the PM bottle at all, we use Milton cold water steriliser and it smells very strong. On both occasions there has been 2 unused still smelling of steriliser bottles and 1 bottle that she’s used and washed. It’s very obvious that she didn’t offer it, along with her openly saying that she didn’t.

"Have you spoken to HV about his milk intake?"

Again, not the point here. But my HV called me this morning to set up his 9-12 month telephone review (covid means no face to face). So I will be discussing this with her soon.

"Just be grateful for free child care"

I am SO grateful you have no idea. DS was born in lockdown and it has been full on having no break, all on me and DH. We are extremely grateful for their help. PIL are excited about having DS as they have barely seen him in his first year of life. They’ve been begging us to drop him off for the day even during lockdown so they can see him, obviously it wasn’t safe but now we have no choice with work commitments.

"Don't ruin a good relationship over this"

I wouldn’t ever just snap at her or start an argument over this. That’s not how we are as a family, we talk things through. That’s exactly what we will be doing. Just happy to see I’m not alone in feeling angry that my child was handed back to me starving and tired.

I don’t really care what your experience is with your own baby or your friends cousins baby because they are all different. Regardless if people think it’s too much, that is mine and DH decision to make, no one else’s

Hmm If you want advice from people then I suggest you not be so rude & sanctimonious! There are experienced mothers on here with multiple children who know what they're taking about! You're not the first woman to ever have a baby! Nobody is criticising your parenting or calling you a bad mother! Just politely pointing out that your baby doesn't need that much milk

MNWorldisCrazy · 02/03/2021 14:21

@JenIsAGem

Wow this has got so many responses, didn't expect it to blow up so much!

I'm going to address some common things that keep coming up in the responses...

"Was he offered water or snacks from 12-5pm?"
I’m honestly not sure, I’ll be bringing this up when we talk about it.
I provide his sippy cup when he goes but it always comes back washed, dried and empty so I guess that’s a good sign? She’s done something with it rather than nothing.

"Isn't that way too much milk? He doesn't need that much he's nearly 1"

To all the comments regarding his milk intake, I don’t really care what your experience is with your own baby or your friends cousins baby because they are all different.
Regardless if people think it’s too much, that is mine and DH decision to make, no one else’s and especially not MIL’s.
Just read my post again to see what happened when he was withheld his bottle... he was starving! Is that not enough to prove that he is not ready to drop his milk intake just yet.
He was just under the 10th centile when born, but from about 3 months old had always been in the ‘correct’ size clothes for his age, he is perfectly healthy.
However much milk he drinks is NOT the point!

"He has 3 meals a day as well?"

When I said he has 3 meals maybe I should’ve been more clear in that he is ‘offered’ 3 meals, how much he wants of them is questionable... sometimes a lot and others not much at all. Again this is totally normal. He has been baby led weaned since about 7** months.

"Maybe she forgot or found it too hard to stick to your rigid schedule"

I have told her numerous times that it’s a rough guide, and regarding bottles those are the times he’s used to them, it’s generally every 4 hours he shows hunger cues (outside of BLW) and if he refuses the bottle just try it again in an hour or so. All the advice has changed and is changing all the time, you are no longer told to prepare formula or refrigerate it for the day etc. So I can’t prepare her bottles. All I asked regarding bottles was that she offers them, even if she didn’t think he was hungry. It’s no expense to her, I pay for his milk and I’m happy to let it to go waste rather than starve my child. She managed to time his naps perfectly as well, so the routine clearly isn’t hard to follow.

Also why ask for my routine and say you want to stick to it if you honestly think you know best? Pointless.

"Did she offer it and he refused? How would you even know?"

She didn’t offer the PM bottle at all, we use Milton cold water steriliser and it smells very strong. On both occasions there has been 2 unused still smelling of steriliser bottles and 1 bottle that she’s used and washed. It’s very obvious that she didn’t offer it, along with her openly saying that she didn’t.

"Have you spoken to HV about his milk intake?"

Again, not the point here. But my HV called me this morning to set up his 9-12 month telephone review (covid means no face to face). So I will be discussing this with her soon.

"Just be grateful for free child care"

I am SO grateful you have no idea. DS was born in lockdown and it has been full on having no break, all on me and DH. We are extremely grateful for their help. PIL are excited about having DS as they have barely seen him in his first year of life. They’ve been begging us to drop him off for the day even during lockdown so they can see him, obviously it wasn’t safe but now we have no choice with work commitments.

"Don't ruin a good relationship over this"

I wouldn’t ever just snap at her or start an argument over this. That’s not how we are as a family, we talk things through. That’s exactly what we will be doing. Just happy to see I’m not alone in feeling angry that my child was handed back to me starving and tired.

She has not 'starved' your child.
JenIsAGem · 02/03/2021 14:22

@MNWorldisCrazy please read my update. I addressed this.

OP posts:
Maryann1975 · 02/03/2021 14:22

@Hidingshhhh

I’m more inclined to believe he drank his bottle in 60 seconds because he was thirsty not hungry. That’s a lot of milk for a ten month old.

Maybe he doesn’t want the milk?

But how would MIL know he didn’t want the milk? She didn’t bother to make the bottle as she didn’t want to waste the milk? The OP is clear that she doesn’t mind wasting the milk if her baby doesn’t want it, she would rather baby be full and satisfied.
MNWorldisCrazy · 02/03/2021 14:26

@Nith

She didn’t offer the PM bottle at all, we use Milton cold water steriliser and it smells very strong

Off the point, but I hope you're not giving the baby water or milk in a bottle that stinks of steriliser?

This was my thought! Confused That's deeply concerning
JenIsAGem · 02/03/2021 14:26

@MNWorldisCrazy sorry but if you think there's a polite way to judge someone on how they care for their own child that you don't even know... then you're very very wrong.

I didn't ask for opinions on my babies diet thank you very much.

OP posts:
FlashesOfRage · 02/03/2021 14:27

The trust would be gone now for me.

My own MIL is like this; of a generation that are obsessed with telling you over and over again that babies should be weaned at four months, rice put in their bottles and babies get everything they need in five minutes breastfeeding so any longer is spoiling them 🤦‍♀️😂

She is 100% certain she knows better than you with her 40yr old ideas. She will do this to you a million times in a hundred ways if you don’t stop her now. She isn’t starving your baby with malice, she just honestly thinks she’s correct so arguing with her won’t ever get through x

MNWorldisCrazy · 02/03/2021 14:31

[quote JenIsAGem]@MNWorldisCrazy sorry but if you think there's a polite way to judge someone on how they care for their own child that you don't even know... then you're very very wrong.

I didn't ask for opinions on my babies diet thank you very much. [/quote]
Wow! You have a serious attitude problem!

People are trying to help - on a thread you created to ask for advice! You asked whether you should be annoyed at your MIL for not giving your baby all the milk you requested she give him and have asked if you're being unreasonable to be annoyed that she didn't. So people are answering your question, by saying that yes, you are being unreasonable as baby doesn't need that much.

What did you hope to gain from this?! To demand people agree with everything you say? Mumsnet doesn't work like that.

Your poor, poor mother in law

zigzog44 · 02/03/2021 14:35

@JenIsAGem

Just happy to see I’m not alone in feeling angry that my child was handed back to me starving and tired.

Oh come on OP, he was hardly starved. Your post title is misleading too.
If you’re angry about this and concerned when he’s in his GP’s care, then pay for childcare.

mistermagpie · 02/03/2021 14:35

I'm sorry to say that this is exactly what happened with my MIL when she looked after my DS when I went back to work after may leave. Like, exactly the same thing.

We gave her a few more chances but it kept happening, he was starving or really thirsty every time I picked him up despite packing all his food and bottles for the day.

We didn't make a huge fuss but he went to nursery for that day after a few weeks of this. We made a bit of an excuse about it because she's really not the kind of woman you want to get into conflict with, but she went in a huff for a long time. No great loss to me personally, I don't like her much anyway.

We've subsequently had two more children since then and she has never provided childcare for us again. She does babysit occasionally but not for my 15 month old, the other children are old enough now to ask for food!

It's not worth the worry, so remove her from the equation. If she wants to know why then tell her or make an excuse.

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