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MIL not feeding baby

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JenIsAGem · 02/03/2021 08:42

10mo DS now spends Mondays at MIL house for childcare while me & DH both work on Mondays.
Drop off around 8am and pick up around 5pm.

She was very keen to follow our 'routine' and asked us to write it down for her so she could stick to it. He has 3-4 7oz bottles a day usually 7am, 11am, 2pm and 6pm. He usually drinks all his milk, as well as his 3 meals.

The first time MIL looked after him she tried to give him a bottle at 11am but said he didn't want it, only drank 2oz then refused the rest. I totally accepted this because it's all new to him, he was probably distracted and confused in a partially new environment. I held hope that because he refused this, he would easily take his afternoon bottle at 2pm.

When we picked DS up at 4:30pm I could tell he was cranky and tired but he had had a big day so that's what I put it down to. He had done really well.
She called later on in the evening after DS had went to sleep to have a general chat, (we all get on great and DH and her have a lovely relationship) we asked her why only 1 bottle had been used (we packed 3 just in case) and that's when she told us she didn't make him another bottle because she didn't want to waste more milk and he ate all his pasta for lunch anyway.
All day he only had a total of 9oz when it should've been 21oz by this point!

DH tried to express how important it was to feed him the afternoon bottle as he was really hungry, wasting milk isn't an issue at all and we would rather waste milk than DS go hungry.

Fast forward to yesterday, the is second time she looked after him and the same thing happened. She didn't give him his afternoon bottle, she said 'well he ate all of his pasta for lunch so I didn't bother'.
DH had made a point about giving him this bottle when he dropped him off in the AM, also by text just to remind her that he will probably be due his afternoon bottle soon etc.

When he got home we made him a bottle straight away. I've never seen DS so hungry, he was ravenous. He gulped down a 9oz bottle (usually drinks 7oz before bed) so fast it was gone in about 60 seconds. I felt so bad for him. He was so hungry, I know he's not ready to drop this afternoon bottle yet. His routine is working fine.

AIBU to be quite annoyed with MIL about this?

YABU - I wouldn't be annoyed
YANBU - I would be annoyed too

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TheyIsMyFamily · 02/03/2021 13:03

She wouldn't be having my baby again; find proper childcare.

TheyIsMyFamily · 02/03/2021 13:04

Oh, and if your DH isn't willing to be the 'bad guy' with his mum here, tell him he can stay home with the baby then as he'll need to be the proper childcare or find proper childcare himself. His mum isn't it.

Nomorepies · 02/03/2021 13:04

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heart80s · 02/03/2021 13:07

At 10 months it sounds like he is having to much milk and needs to be eating more food. Did she feed him his normal meal and snacks.

mnahmnah · 02/03/2021 13:14

@ColdBrightClearMorning

Agreed. My point was more that MIL is clearly thinking food is enough, when it is still very important that he has his milk.

BakewellGin1 · 02/03/2021 13:15

I can see both sides to be honest.

You want him to have what you want him to have and that's your right, however I know from my own experience that my own DS change their wants a bit when with GP.

At home he naps 11 till 1... At GP he doesn't want to sleep as its different and exciting so refuses a nap until he is tired enough to admit defeat... Usually 2pmish

Sometimes he wants milk, sometimes he doesn't if he has ate full meals...

We have a loose routine so my DM knows what he generally has/wants but if she says he was full and left part of meal, refused milk then fair enough... he is offered water throughout so never thirsty.

I trust her judgement to care for my DS appropriately and if you don't trust MIL and it doesn't sit right with you then time to find alternative care if it can't be worked out.

TenaciousOnePointOne · 02/03/2021 13:15

@heart80s

At 10 months it sounds like he is having to much milk and needs to be eating more food. Did she feed him his normal meal and snacks.
Milk is the main source of nutrients and calories under 12 months. A baby should have as much milk as they desire.
MuddleMoo · 02/03/2021 13:17

Why are loads of people just saying it's too much milk!? Every baby is different. They are offered food and still drink the milk.

heart80s · 02/03/2021 13:18

@TenaciousOnePointOne I've had three babies and at 10 months from what I remember my three had 3 bottles a day. Morning, afternoon and before bed. Babies need milk and food at that age.

HauntedPencil · 02/03/2021 13:18

@mnahmnah

Food is for fun before 1, as the saying goes. He needs his milk. If this is the beginning, it’s only going to get worse. Absolutely pay for formal childcare.
It's not - it's important as is milk. And the baby had the recommended amount of milk.
Crimblecrumble1990 · 02/03/2021 13:21

This would infuriate me. Is it definitely that she just isn't even offering it to him as she think she knows best? As opposed to offering it and baby not being interested?

It might be dramatic but if she is directly ignoring the request to give your baby a bottle then I would find alternative childcare. It's not about the milk (my 11 month old still has 3 bottles a day by the way although nearly weaned down to 2) it's about thinking she knows best.

starfishmummy · 02/03/2021 13:22

YANBU.

My "baby" is now all grown up so I have no opinion on whether yours needs all his bottles or not; but you have asked your mil to keep to his routine and she is ignoring your wishes and baby is clearly going hungry.

This is not her baby to make decisions for; and who knows what she will decide next. I think you need to make alternative childcare arrangements asap.

TenaciousOnePointOne · 02/03/2021 13:24

[quote heart80s]@TenaciousOnePointOne I've had three babies and at 10 months from what I remember my three had 3 bottles a day. Morning, afternoon and before bed. Babies need milk and food at that age. [/quote]
At 10 months DS was breastfed and he had a lot more than 3 feeds a day... Every baby is different, DS didn't really eat much at 10 months. I had 'helpful' friends like you who tried to convince me I was doing it all wrong as they thought that milk was inferior to food.

They need milk more than they need food, look at the calories and nutrients in food and compare it to milk. I'm not saying he should be given food but if he wants milk and isn't off the charts why should it be withheld from him.

Why are people getting on the OPs back because they didn't do things the same as she is. She knows her baby a lot better than we do.

JenIsAGem · 02/03/2021 13:27

Wow this has got so many responses, didn't expect it to blow up so much!

I'm going to address some common things that keep coming up in the responses...

"Was he offered water or snacks from 12-5pm?"
I’m honestly not sure, I’ll be bringing this up when we talk about it.
I provide his sippy cup when he goes but it always comes back washed, dried and empty so I guess that’s a good sign? She’s done something with it rather than nothing.

"Isn't that way too much milk? He doesn't need that much he's nearly 1"

To all the comments regarding his milk intake, I don’t really care what your experience is with your own baby or your friends cousins baby because they are all different.
Regardless if people think it’s too much, that is mine and DH decision to make, no one else’s and especially not MIL’s.
Just read my post again to see what happened when he was withheld his bottle... he was starving! Is that not enough to prove that he is not ready to drop his milk intake just yet.
He was just under the 10th centile when born, but from about 3 months old had always been in the ‘correct’ size clothes for his age, he is perfectly healthy.
However much milk he drinks is NOT the point!

"He has 3 meals a day as well?"

When I said he has 3 meals maybe I should’ve been more clear in that he is ‘offered’ 3 meals, how much he wants of them is questionable... sometimes a lot and others not much at all. Again this is totally normal. He has been baby led weaned since about 7** months.

"Maybe she forgot or found it too hard to stick to your rigid schedule"

I have told her numerous times that it’s a rough guide, and regarding bottles those are the times he’s used to them, it’s generally every 4 hours he shows hunger cues (outside of BLW) and if he refuses the bottle just try it again in an hour or so. All the advice has changed and is changing all the time, you are no longer told to prepare formula or refrigerate it for the day etc. So I can’t prepare her bottles. All I asked regarding bottles was that she offers them, even if she didn’t think he was hungry. It’s no expense to her, I pay for his milk and I’m happy to let it to go waste rather than starve my child. She managed to time his naps perfectly as well, so the routine clearly isn’t hard to follow.

Also why ask for my routine and say you want to stick to it if you honestly think you know best? Pointless.

"Did she offer it and he refused? How would you even know?"

She didn’t offer the PM bottle at all, we use Milton cold water steriliser and it smells very strong. On both occasions there has been 2 unused still smelling of steriliser bottles and 1 bottle that she’s used and washed. It’s very obvious that she didn’t offer it, along with her openly saying that she didn’t.

"Have you spoken to HV about his milk intake?"

Again, not the point here. But my HV called me this morning to set up his 9-12 month telephone review (covid means no face to face). So I will be discussing this with her soon.

"Just be grateful for free child care"

I am SO grateful you have no idea. DS was born in lockdown and it has been full on having no break, all on me and DH. We are extremely grateful for their help. PIL are excited about having DS as they have barely seen him in his first year of life. They’ve been begging us to drop him off for the day even during lockdown so they can see him, obviously it wasn’t safe but now we have no choice with work commitments.

"Don't ruin a good relationship over this"

I wouldn’t ever just snap at her or start an argument over this. That’s not how we are as a family, we talk things through. That’s exactly what we will be doing. Just happy to see I’m not alone in feeling angry that my child was handed back to me starving and tired.

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Snowymcsnowsony · 02/03/2021 13:33

Mil seems to see no issue with risking your relationship... Get dh to send her NHS guidance.. And a copy of ds's rough routine.. Coming from him won't come back to smack you in the face unlike you criticising her dgm's skills.

NoIDontWatchLoveIsland · 02/03/2021 13:34

No one is saying milk is not important but food is important too, particularly in terms of iron. The reason health guidance moves to reducing reliance on milk by age 1 is that excess dairy consumption reduces iron absorption. Children who get too many of their calories from milk are at risk of anaemia. This is less relevant early on as babies are born with iron stores but they don't last forever.

orangenasturtium · 02/03/2021 13:38

I would be annoyed but weaning advice was very different when she raised her DC. Mine are in their twenties and when they were babies, weaning started at 3-4 months and by 10 months milk was considered to be more of a top up rather than the main source of nutrition. The opposite to current advice. I remember being berated by the HV for breastfeeding too much at that age as I was spoiling my DS's appetite and spoiling him luckily his consultant paediatrician knew better. Not finishing a bottle (like your DS) would be taken as a sign it is time to start dropping milk.

Given that you have a good relationship otherwise and she seems to be concerned about following your routine (so has his best interests at heart), I think you need to very clearly explain the current advice to her. I wouldn't be jumping to conclusions that she is "controlling" like PPs.

YoBeaches · 02/03/2021 13:40

I think at some point in your thread baby has aged from a 10mth old to a 1 ye old. Assuming the former then there's nothing wrong with milk and foot intake at this stage in my view.

Discuss it with her again and explain that he's too hungry by 5pm and if needs be get DH to call her at 3pm and ask if she's done it.

Could it be that she's worried about making the bottle itself? Perhaps send some of the ready made formula (it's not as nice as fresh but it's an option)

Don't just assume she's being ignorant, she could feel weird about something and not know how to say it so explore that with her.

heart80s · 02/03/2021 13:40

@TenaciousOnePointOne that's where you went wrong. Your baby wasn't eating much as to full up on milk!

YoniAndGuy · 02/03/2021 13:43

This. is. not. about. milk. or. food.

This is about MIL deliberately going against your wishes on care to the point your child is distressed.

Please ask her why this is - phrase it exactly like this because it is not about technicalities of milk intake. Why does she like going against you? She must like it because she's choosing to do it - three times now.

Unless you get a satisfactory answer he cannot go there. He isn't being looked after properly or even kindly.

HauntedPencil · 02/03/2021 13:49

@YoniAndGuy

This. is. not. about. milk. or. food.

This is about MIL deliberately going against your wishes on care to the point your child is distressed.

Please ask her why this is - phrase it exactly like this because it is not about technicalities of milk intake. Why does she like going against you? She must like it because she's choosing to do it - three times now.

Unless you get a satisfactory answer he cannot go there. He isn't being looked after properly or even kindly.

What a stretch this is.
VinylDetective · 02/03/2021 13:50

You seem to be a bit over invested in this thread @YoniAndGuy. You’ve made your point - repeatedly. I’m sure OP knows what you think now.

Xerochrysum · 02/03/2021 13:53

Yoni, I disagree, I really don't think it's true. She maybe misguided from her own experience, but I don't think she is doing it on purpose. Why would she deliberately destroy the relationship with her son and DIL, and ultimately with her GS?

HauntedPencil · 02/03/2021 13:55

@JenIsAGem

Wow this has got so many responses, didn't expect it to blow up so much!

I'm going to address some common things that keep coming up in the responses...

"Was he offered water or snacks from 12-5pm?"
I’m honestly not sure, I’ll be bringing this up when we talk about it.
I provide his sippy cup when he goes but it always comes back washed, dried and empty so I guess that’s a good sign? She’s done something with it rather than nothing.

"Isn't that way too much milk? He doesn't need that much he's nearly 1"

To all the comments regarding his milk intake, I don’t really care what your experience is with your own baby or your friends cousins baby because they are all different.
Regardless if people think it’s too much, that is mine and DH decision to make, no one else’s and especially not MIL’s.
Just read my post again to see what happened when he was withheld his bottle... he was starving! Is that not enough to prove that he is not ready to drop his milk intake just yet.
He was just under the 10th centile when born, but from about 3 months old had always been in the ‘correct’ size clothes for his age, he is perfectly healthy.
However much milk he drinks is NOT the point!

"He has 3 meals a day as well?"

When I said he has 3 meals maybe I should’ve been more clear in that he is ‘offered’ 3 meals, how much he wants of them is questionable... sometimes a lot and others not much at all. Again this is totally normal. He has been baby led weaned since about 7** months.

"Maybe she forgot or found it too hard to stick to your rigid schedule"

I have told her numerous times that it’s a rough guide, and regarding bottles those are the times he’s used to them, it’s generally every 4 hours he shows hunger cues (outside of BLW) and if he refuses the bottle just try it again in an hour or so. All the advice has changed and is changing all the time, you are no longer told to prepare formula or refrigerate it for the day etc. So I can’t prepare her bottles. All I asked regarding bottles was that she offers them, even if she didn’t think he was hungry. It’s no expense to her, I pay for his milk and I’m happy to let it to go waste rather than starve my child. She managed to time his naps perfectly as well, so the routine clearly isn’t hard to follow.

Also why ask for my routine and say you want to stick to it if you honestly think you know best? Pointless.

"Did she offer it and he refused? How would you even know?"

She didn’t offer the PM bottle at all, we use Milton cold water steriliser and it smells very strong. On both occasions there has been 2 unused still smelling of steriliser bottles and 1 bottle that she’s used and washed. It’s very obvious that she didn’t offer it, along with her openly saying that she didn’t.

"Have you spoken to HV about his milk intake?"

Again, not the point here. But my HV called me this morning to set up his 9-12 month telephone review (covid means no face to face). So I will be discussing this with her soon.

"Just be grateful for free child care"

I am SO grateful you have no idea. DS was born in lockdown and it has been full on having no break, all on me and DH. We are extremely grateful for their help. PIL are excited about having DS as they have barely seen him in his first year of life. They’ve been begging us to drop him off for the day even during lockdown so they can see him, obviously it wasn’t safe but now we have no choice with work commitments.

"Don't ruin a good relationship over this"

I wouldn’t ever just snap at her or start an argument over this. That’s not how we are as a family, we talk things through. That’s exactly what we will be doing. Just happy to see I’m not alone in feeling angry that my child was handed back to me starving and tired.

This is exactly the type of thread that goes nuts on here tbf! A MIL, a baby, milk! Always goes mental.

You sound like you have it all under control but do check the drains and toilets for flushed milk when you have that chat Wink

JenIsAGem · 02/03/2021 13:57

@HauntedPencil so I can see that now! 😂
Hahaha, your comment did make me laugh!

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