Shamima Begum cannot return.....

[Lillylolo]

What are your opinions?

I feel that her dual heritage has been used against her, to push her towards Bangladesh.

However, I do feel she is a threat to the general public and it would be incredibly difficult to control/monitor her actions. Which may put the rest of the population at risk.

This is just an open debate. Let’s try not to rip each other apart, more of a healthy debate

I don’t believe for a second that it is remotely possible for Syrian authorities (if there are any) to tackle mass terrorism the way we can. Law enforcement agencies in terrorism-ridden countries become the first target of the terrorists as soon as they come out of jail as they fo and hunt down the agency officials who arrested them and put them in jail.
There are numerous example of this from Mid East to South Asia. However, it’s very easy for armchair activists to sit here and demand that other people collect and disinfect our garbage. Ffs

@Gobbeldegook

She is not a British citizen. She gave that up when she fucked off to Syria to join Isis. She's a citizen of nowhere and she can stay that way. I don't want her back here blowing up our innocent children. At fucking 15 she knew what she was doing. Getting on a plane and fucking off to join the terrorists. At 15 I was acting out, yes, smoking and having sex. Not blowing people up. She's where she fucking belongs. She can fucking stay there.

So we palm her off on a country she's never been to and risk their children instead?

Best example of "we must protect the British (predominantly whiite) children and fuck everyone else" on the thread so far.

@Holirem2
I copied and pasted the wrong post and tagged the wrong poster too. Very sorry for that

@thegcatsmother when you say ‘I don’t think any of the kids I taught would have done what Begum did’ you do realise you are going against the most basic principle of safeguarding/Prevent training, right?

The whole thing is: it could happen here.

I hope you are no longer a teacher, because if you are you really need a refresher!

[quote AnitaB888]'And after you'd serve your sentence you'd be deported back to your home country.'

Apparently that isn't true in UK because it would breach their 'Human Rights'

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8949455/Nearly-4-000-criminals-dodged-deportation-settled-Britain-figures.html

We are fast becoming a dumping ground for other peoples problems.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8949455/Nearly-4-000-criminals-dodged-deportation-settled-Britain-figures.html[/quote]
And two wrongs make one right. Great.

@FuckyouCovid21

If she does get to come back, think of how much money it'll cost to keep her safe

It's not just about keeping her safe. It's about keeping the British public safe too.

Not two wrongs but about 4,000 of them that we are paying for via our taxes.

And what do their victims get ??

@JustLyra
*It's funny because I distinctly remember the newspapers and some online forums being outraged a few years back when Australia "dumped" a murderer on the UK who'd moved over there when he was a toddler.

Yet it's apparently completely acceptable for the UK to dump someone who has never even been to Bangladesh, and who Bangladesh say isn't entitled to citizenship there, on them.*

Exactly. A strong, moral country would take back a criminal who was a born citizen, who spent their whole upbringing in that country, was almost certainly radicalized as a child, and who would otherwise become stateless. There’s nothing “strong” about the U.K. line: We can’t solve our own homegrown terrorist problems. (and yet we think we’re able to solve them in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria etc).

In my experience, it is incredibly difficult to nail down a terrorist gang and then keep them in jail. These ideology-based crimes not only are incredibly organised, they actually work in augment with other parts of the society. For example, it is impossible to sow terrorism in a country so you need their army and their judiciary in your pocket too and must ensure that the law remains loose enough to allow terrorists get out or get pardoned as soon as possible.
This is why it is incredibly unfair of us to expect Syrian police and judiciary to put their lives at risk for someone who is as big an example of home grown terrorism as any.

@Noidea2114

If I committed a murder in Spain then I would have to go through the Spanish court and serve any time in a Spanish jail. This would be the same if it was the USA, Italy, Mexico, NZ, China, Russia and any other country in the world. If someone from abroad committed a crime in this country they would be charged and jailed in the UK. She committed crimes in another country let them charge and jail her there.

And once you'd served your sentence you would be free to travel.home. Yes let her be tried in Syria if they are happy to do that. It doesnt stop her from being British.

She was 15 and groomed. She has had 3 children who sadly have all died, but while pregnant or a young mum with a young infant, she was incredibly vulnerable and would probably have said or done anything to protect her babies, even if that was saying "Death to the West". This is a very young woman who has been through so much trauma. She doesn't have dual citizenship, and I agree with the OP that her heritage has been used against her. They would not have taken her British citizenship if her parents/grandparents were all white British.

If she does get to come back, think of how much money it'll cost to keep her safe
No. thanks for your concern but I am sure I pay enough taxes to keep a British criminal behind bars forever who slipped because we were lax.

@AnitaB888

"Well where should she go then, who should pick up our problem?"

She stopped being our responsibility when she threw her passport into the desert and swore allegiance to a terrorist organisation committed to destroying the West.

She could still be our problem as a rallying point for underground terrorist cells in UK if she returned.

This is absolutely right. She has no remorse for her involvement with Isis and sees nothing wrong with her or their actions. I imagine if she had the chance she’d do the same thing all over again. I have no sympathy whatsoever.

I have no sympathy whatsoever.

It's not about sympathy.

It's about responsibility. She's our responsibility.

@VinylDetective
So your country made a terrorist. Shouldn’t you put her in your jail?

www.irishpost.com/news/isis-bride-lisa-smith-terrorism-trial-set-for-2022-192917

We do allow some ISIS brides back it seems. Why is this woman allowed back, and not stripped of citizenship too?
And if you don’t think that Shamima Begum should be allowed home and that she can be stripped of her citizenship, then I assume that you are happy for the reverse to happen? Someone comes here and commits a crime, but their country decides they don’t want them back, revokes their citizenship, and says if they committed the crime here, they can stay here because they are no longer citizens elsewhere.
That would be fine.

What we actually see is cries of ‘deport them, they don’t belong here, send them back home.’ Why is this different?

She’s British. Hmmmmm. Not any kind of British I’d recognise. I feel sorry for Syria or any other other country having to host her and her idiotic Islamist fantasies . Maybe she is better off here simply because there is likely to be a more robust judiciary and intelligence service to keep and eye on her , but by embracing zealotry and terrorism she gave up any right to be British IMO.

Why should other people given their lives and money to keep her from committing more crimes because your country (a far more wealthy and resourceful one than Syria) created her?

@yellowspanner

I think the court have made the right decision and the only possible decision. She has not been left stateless. She has a right to Bangladeshi citizenship but doesn't want to take it. Her crimes are not normal. They are serious crimes against humanity. If the government and the Supreme Court think she would be a danger to our national security then I am prepared to believe them. I do not want terrorists to be allowed into the UK.

She hasn't any right to Bangladeshi citizenship, they say so and wont let her in the country. Its illegal to make someone stateless.

You don't know what she has done or not, you haven't seen the evidence of any criminality, other than what you've seen in whatever right wing rag you read... leading counter-terrorism officers say such evidence wouldn't be available from a war zone.....

You don't want terrorists in the UK ? oh dear, better rip up the Good Friday agreement and send back to prison 100s of IRA/UVF gunman who were released under the GFA or the 100s of ISIS fighters who have been allowed back into the UK with a nod and wink.

But you are happy to let (what you believe) is a dangerous terrorist to go to any dev country that will have her and then what do you think she'll do?

@babybythesea

www.irishpost.com/news/isis-bride-lisa-smith-terrorism-trial-set-for-2022-192917

We do allow some ISIS brides back it seems. Why is this woman allowed back, and not stripped of citizenship too?
And if you don’t think that Shamima Begum should be allowed home and that she can be stripped of her citizenship, then I assume that you are happy for the reverse to happen? Someone comes here and commits a crime, but their country decides they don’t want them back, revokes their citizenship, and says if they committed the crime here, they can stay here because they are no longer citizens elsewhere.
That would be fine.

What we actually see is cries of ‘deport them, they don’t belong here, send them back home.’ Why is this different?

To be fair that’s Ireland not the UK.

But I agree with everything else in your post.

Out of interest regarding age and being "just a child", how old was the Manchester Arena bomber when he first became radicalised and introduced to terrorism?

@Noidea2114

If I committed a murder in Spain then I would have to go through the Spanish court and serve any time in a Spanish jail. This would be the same if it was the USA, Italy, Mexico, NZ, China, Russia and any other country in the world. If someone from abroad committed a crime in this country they would be charged and jailed in the UK. She committed crimes in another country let them charge and jail her there.

Yes, look at the British drug smugglers in the Thai prisons or Gary Glitter even.

I don’t accept that other countries should be able to dump their criminals here in the U.K.
I can’t accept U.K. should be allowed to do that. Everyone should take care of their own problems.

She’s not allowed back as she’s a risk. The security assessment will have been done by the appropriate agency.
We won’t ever be privy to that information. It won’t ever be in the public domain.

After the Manchester Arena bombing the review looked into why didnt we stop him? Why didn’t we do more?
She is dangerous and they’re not letting her back, this is us doing more.

She absolutely should come back to the U.K, for all the reasons pp have said.