Shamima Begum cannot return.....

[Lillylolo]

What are your opinions?

I feel that her dual heritage has been used against her, to push her towards Bangladesh.

However, I do feel she is a threat to the general public and it would be incredibly difficult to control/monitor her actions. Which may put the rest of the population at risk.

This is just an open debate. Let’s try not to rip each other apart, more of a healthy debate

She should be allowed back. She’s British. She was young and did unspeakable things but she was still a child. She’s been through a lot and she needs to come home. We have countless British teens doing all kinds of abhorrent acts - rape, murder, incest.. all sorts. No need for her to be treated any worse than them. Bring her back and let her serve jail here.

Best if she never comes back, and stays in the country she chose.

But she will be allowed her appeal, as the law decrees.

I was just going to post that.
She is a grown woman.

@Mrgrinch

I hope she will never step foot back on British soil. We have enough problems of our own without spending an obscene amount of money to provide a terrorist with all of the resources she would be given on her return.

She is a problem of our own...

@Witchcraftandhokum

She'a child FFS, a vulnerable, groomed child who has been repeatedly raped and had 3 children die. Sometimes this site is a fucking embarrassment.

She is not a child she is 21

[quote Blackberrycream]@SimonJT
That is my point. Grooming is not the appropriate word here. She was 15 which is old enough to understand. She was not the victim and to suggest she was is actually offensive to the real victims of her actions.[/quote]
So 15 year old children who are groomed for sex as old enough to understand?

@yellowspanner

I think the court have made the right decision and the only possible decision. She has not been left stateless. She has a right to Bangladeshi citizenship but doesn't want to take it. Her crimes are not normal. They are serious crimes against humanity. If the government and the Supreme Court think she would be a danger to our national security then I am prepared to believe them. I do not want terrorists to be allowed into the UK.

She is stateless. She’s never been to Bangladesh, she was born and raised here and Bangladesh have rejected any claim to citizenship that she may have had (and did this before she was stripped of her British citizenship).

Of course she is a threat to British national security. But she’s British and was radicalised here. Strange how you’d rather have her a threat to other countries’ national security and think that is ok.

[quote LadyRenoir]@Sumwin1 My concern would be that a lot of radicalisation is happening in prisons among the radicalised and those not yet radicalised, so even if she was to be locked up, she works still be a risk.[/quote]
There’s high risk prisons for a reason. Sometimes they have to enter public hospitals and they pose a risk to staff... & the public Should we not treat them? Because they pose a risk?

Look if you don’t think she should come back your entitled to your opinion. Don’t deny that it is OUR problem unfortunately and I agree it’s a difficult situation but it’s not fair that people are happy to play some sort pass the parcel FFS at least admit that UK have failed the poor girl.

People have done far worse than her too!!

@Noidea2114

If I committed a murder in Spain then I would have to go through the Spanish court and serve any time in a Spanish jail. This would be the same if it was the USA, Italy, Mexico, NZ, China, Russia and any other country in the world. If someone from abroad committed a crime in this country they would be charged and jailed in the UK. She committed crimes in another country let them charge and jail her there.

Is there any court, any system in a country as ravaged as Syria? their people already have a fight against terror in their hands and their own terrorists. They shouldn’t be handed over our problems.

@Noidea2114

If I committed a murder in Spain then I would have to go through the Spanish court and serve any time in a Spanish jail. This would be the same if it was the USA, Italy, Mexico, NZ, China, Russia and any other country in the world. If someone from abroad committed a crime in this country they would be charged and jailed in the UK. She committed crimes in another country let them charge and jail her there.

And after you'd serve your sentence you'd be deported back to your home country.

Which is exactly what should be happening to her, but the UK has decided to palm her off on Bangladesh rather than dealing with a problem created here.

It's funny because I distinctly remember the newspapers and some online forums being outraged a few years back when Australia "dumped" a murderer on the UK who'd moved over there when he was a toddler.

Yet it's apparently completely acceptable for the UK to dump someone who has never even been to Bangladesh, and who Bangladesh say isn't entitled to citizenship there, on them.

@Samcro

I was just going to post that. She is a grown woman.

That does not mean you can dump her on a country that is already on its knees with war.

We should have harsh sentences, including whole life sentence, for terrorism. Our terrorists have been other people’s problems for a very long time now. It’s time to stop that.

@Noidea2114

If I committed a murder in Spain then I would have to go through the Spanish court and serve any time in a Spanish jail. This would be the same if it was the USA, Italy, Mexico, NZ, China, Russia and any other country in the world. If someone from abroad committed a crime in this country they would be charged and jailed in the UK. She committed crimes in another country let them charge and jail her there.

They didn’t see it as a crime in Syria though did they? So they won’t charge her for anything therefore UK should handle their responsibility.

@thegcatsmother

'She was 15, a child. Teens are not known for their critical thinking skills'

I taught a lot of that age group, and my lad was 15 at one point. I don't think any of the kids I taught would have done what Begum did, and I know that my lad at 15 possessed critical thinking skills and an appreciation of his own comfort; hence he would not have gone off to Syria. I also checked his computer at regular unadvertised intervals.

Exactly. She was involved in policing of dress codes of local women. She earned a reputation as a brutal enforcer. She was not a victim.

@Andante57

This would never happen to a white British person

Jack Letts?

He was a dual national . He is Canadian and British.

It sets a dangerous precedent, that if British criminals qualify for citizenship of another country we could theoretically dump them.

@Noidea2114

If I committed a murder in Spain then I would have to go through the Spanish court and serve any time in a Spanish jail. This would be the same if it was the USA, Italy, Mexico, NZ, China, Russia and any other country in the world. If someone from abroad committed a crime in this country they would be charged and jailed in the UK. She committed crimes in another country let them charge and jail her there.

No one is arguing that. It’s not even clear if she’s being prosecuted for anything in Syria. They are just trying to deradicalise her in the refugee camp at present.

What many are saying is that regardless of whether she is prosecuted and jailed in Syria - she is a British citizen entitled to return once she has served any sentence given to her. Or if Syria would rather deport her to the UK- they should be able to do so and she should be allowed to return.

I am quite upset on this and have tagged the wrong poster 🤦🏻‍♀️

She is not a British citizen. She gave that up when she fucked off to Syria to join Isis. She's a citizen of nowhere and she can stay that way. I don't want her back here blowing up our innocent children. At fucking 15 she knew what she was doing. Getting on a plane and fucking off to join the terrorists.
At 15 I was acting out, yes, smoking and having sex. Not blowing people up. She's where she fucking belongs. She can fucking stay there.

It’s a very difficult question to answer. But the threat of terrorism and threat she poses and her age and whether she knew what she was doing or not isn’t the biggest issue here as far as I’m concerned. The bit that I really struggle with is that she snd I were born less than five miles apart. But no matter what I do, however many crimes I commit, my parents are from here and I’m while and not “other”, so there’s nowhere else to send me, is there? It’s quite different to being a dual citizen.... she isn’t. She’s just other and her mum and dad are from somewhere else and that’s enough to have leave her stateless. That’s not what a civilised nation does to its citizens.

Exactly.
She was involved in policing of dress codes of local women. She earned a reputation as a brutal enforcer.
She was not a victim.

What about child soldiers then? I’m not sure you understand what grooming or radicalisation means.

You can be a both victim of grooming and a perpetrator of the horrific acts you were groomed and radicalised to do - they aren’t mutually exclusive.

I don't give a monkeys what her nationality is. She made her choice and the choice was to leave Britain and marry a terrorist, our enemy. Her defiant poor me attitude when interviewed was revolting. I will save my sympathy for the victims of these terrorist bastards and the families left behind. Fuck her she isnt my problem

'And after you'd serve your sentence you'd be deported back to your home country.'

Apparently that isn't true in UK because it would breach their 'Human Rights'

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8949455/Nearly-4-000-criminals-dodged-deportation-settled-Britain-figures.html

We are fast becoming a dumping ground for other peoples problems.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8949455/Nearly-4-000-criminals-dodged-deportation-settled-Britain-figures.html

@Thewithesarehere

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

What are you going on about? Syria is a worn torn Country and it’s been pointed out that the laws and Courts here are totally different. UK is not a war Zone like Syria... it’s nothing to do with aligning with terrorists .

Shamima is British weather you like it or not.