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Shamima Begum cannot return.....

999 replies

Lillylolo · 26/02/2021 20:40

What are your opinions?

I feel that her dual heritage has been used against her, to push her towards Bangladesh.

However, I do feel she is a threat to the general public and it would be incredibly difficult to control/monitor her actions. Which may put the rest of the population at risk.

This is just an open debate. Let’s try not to rip each other apart, more of a healthy debate

OP posts:
MirandaGoshawk · 26/02/2021 20:54

There are other British women in camps in Syria too, apparently, with their children, and they are in dire straits and saying they would like to come home and face justice, if necessary. I can't help but think this young woman should come home - she was 15 ffs, when she left, and has had three babies die. I think we're being inhuman and need to show compassion.

JerichoGirl · 26/02/2021 20:54

Absolutely she should return to Britain and be cared for. She is an incredibly damaged and traumatised young person and she is Britain's responsibility. Britain needs to grow up and face the mess it has created through the promotion of elitism and its neglect of the vulnerable. The day a nation turns its back on its responsibilities is a terrible day for human rights.

MirandaGoshawk · 26/02/2021 20:57

I know my opinion is not popular, but she is living through hell and must surely realise she'd be better off with "the infidels", and could therefore be re-educated.

Jaypreen · 26/02/2021 20:58

I'm just glad that the vile, terrorist-enabling thug is somewhere other than Britain.

The message should be there is no way back after joining such a despicable organisation.

SpaceRaiders · 26/02/2021 20:58

She was educated here, radicalised here and failed by the system here, she’s a British problem. But I imagine this whole conversation would be very different had she been fair skinned, blonde and blue eyed. If you cannot see how problematic this situation is, then I’m not sure what to say.

milktoothmayhem · 26/02/2021 20:58

Tbh, I've had mixed feelings about this but she was 15 when she was groomed where our country failed to protect her. I think she is our problem and only we should solve it and not dump it onto another 3rd world country. People are saying she poses a risk, yes maybe but so do other rapists, drug dealers, murderers who walk free after serving half their sentences or those that ran into our country from other European nations and committing the same crime on our soils.

ancientgran · 26/02/2021 20:59

@Elouera

Couldn't she apply to live in the Netherlands where her husband is from? I think he is back there himself, but I've never seen this option mentioned is discounted.
So why should the Netherlands deal with it? Or the Kurds (I think she's in a Kurdish run refugee camp) Shouldn't Britain deal with their own problems. I seem to remember the govt saying it was right to send some West Indian people who had been in prison back even though they had lived her since early childhood, so we don't want to cope with foreign nationals who have committed crimes but we expect other countries to deal with our nationals.
Justanotherlurker · 26/02/2021 21:00

I think she’s our problem, and we shouldn’t be dumping her on Syria or Bangladesh to deal with.

That could open up a very dangerous precident...

She technicaly gave up her citizenship when she went to join ISIS, something the ECHR agreed with the UK on, hence the appeal.

It's a simplistic answer to just say we should deal with her, there is a reason why Bangladesh is also refusing her and going against all previous precedent and their own laws.

ancientgran · 26/02/2021 21:00

@AnitaB888

She was stripped of British Citizenship on National Security grounds.

She chose to join an organisation committed to the annihilation of 'infidels' and the destruction of western civilisation, so of course she can't come back to UK.

Well where should she go then, who should pick up our problem?
Marimaur · 26/02/2021 21:01

They’ve effectively made her stateless, right?

I think she’s our problem, rightly and wrongly. I think it sets an awful precedent.

Jaypreen · 26/02/2021 21:01

@LookingForSalt

Absolutely she should return to Britain and be cared for. She is an incredibly damaged and traumatised young person and she is Britain's responsibility. Britain needs to grow up and face the mess it has created through the promotion of elitism and its neglect of the vulnerable. The day a nation turns its back on its responsibilities is a terrible day for human rights.
Codswallop. Leave her there. It will be a far greater risk if psychopathic sadists like her think they can go and join terrorists groups and then be free to waltz back into the UK just as soon as they're bored with murdering and torturing others.

The Supreme Court made the right decision. You lose every right as a UK citizen when you engage in activities to do it and it's people harm. I have no sympathy whatsoever for her.

Marimaur · 26/02/2021 21:01

Rightly Or* wrongly Wink

Samcro · 26/02/2021 21:02

What happens to the British young makes that went there?
Sorry for my ignorance, but I don't know.

Jaypreen · 26/02/2021 21:02

How the F**k is she "our problem"?

All her acts of criminality occurred outside of the UK. British jurisdiction doesn't cover Iraq and Syria, and as she renounced her citizenship by tearing up her passport, we have no case to either extradite her or ask for her return.

Let the Syrians try her.

1Morewineplease · 26/02/2021 21:03

Yes she has some rights to British citizenship but the Supreme Court has said that she is not allowed to come back to the YK to appeal. Her husband is Dutch. Maybe Holland/The Netherlands could offer her help.

Souther · 26/02/2021 21:03

@SpaceRaiders

She was educated here, radicalised here and failed by the system here, she’s a British problem. But I imagine this whole conversation would be very different had she been fair skinned, blonde and blue eyed. If you cannot see how problematic this situation is, then I’m not sure what to say.
Agree . If she'd been white the narrative would have been all about how she had been groomed and now needs psychological support.
Jaypreen · 26/02/2021 21:05

If she'd been white the narrative would have been all about how she had been groomed and now needs psychological support.

What are you basing this rather eccentric opinion on? Can you give us an example?

Sumwin1 · 26/02/2021 21:08

@Justanotherlurker Yes there is a good reason Bangladesh are refusing. Some comments are shocking one thing is to say she shouldn’t be allowed to come back in your own opinion but why should other Countries take her? Some where she has never lived before why are Bangladesh obligated more than UK? Does she not pose a risk to their public like in UK? Bloody cheek

BabblativeBean · 26/02/2021 21:10

I do not believe that she should have had her British citizenship revoked. There are many people who are a security risk, it is why policies exist to manage that risk.

It is not legal for the Government to leave someone stateless, but they claim that SB has Bangladeshi citizenship. Apparently under Bangladesh law, a child is automatically granted citizenship if born to Bangladeshi parents, but the Bangladesh Government have stated that she is not a citizen and they will not take her.

She was born in the UK, raised in the UK and radicalised in the UK. She has apparently never been to Bangladesh. She is the UKs problem and we shouldn't be trying to push our responsibilities onto other countries.

milktoothmayhem · 26/02/2021 21:10

The problem is when people say she is a risk, let her face our justice system then in the UK. Ok she lost everything as soon as she jetted on that plane when she was 15 but at 15 she probably didn't know the ins and outs. She didn't know what she was losing. She made a terrible terrible choice and was failed by her parents, her school and our country and even the internet. We are the UK and we are so much better than this, we aren't the Daily Mail.

JerichoGirl · 26/02/2021 21:10

@Jaypreen

How the F**k is she "our problem"?

All her acts of criminality occurred outside of the UK. British jurisdiction doesn't cover Iraq and Syria, and as she renounced her citizenship by tearing up her passport, we have no case to either extradite her or ask for her return.

Let the Syrians try her.

Here's the thing Jaypreen, this was opened as a civilised discussion and here you are merely a few posts in swearing and making blanket dismissals of other posters' views.

It doesn't serve your argument well, instead it just makes you come across as ignorant and ill informed.

StopGo · 26/02/2021 21:11

She was a 15 year old child, radicalised and groomed. That said she has shown no remorse and still supports the 'cause'.

Dannydevitoiloveyourart · 26/02/2021 21:11

@Jaypreen

I'm just glad that the vile, terrorist-enabling thug is somewhere other than Britain.

The message should be there is no way back after joining such a despicable organisation.

I really want to know how many white brits get stripped of their citizenship. If a white person born in Britain with no other nationality joined a terrorist organisation, would Britain would wash their hands of them?

I really do feel there’s an element of racism here. As a black Brit this case has basically taught me that despite being born and raised here and knowing little of my parents’ culture, I am only borrowing a British passport. I think this is the case for any brown British citizen and don’t believe this would have happened to a white British citizen.

BrumBoo · 26/02/2021 21:11

She was a victim of child grooming. She was little more than that same child when she had her own children and watched them die one by one. Is she dangerous? Possibly. She's still British and it's up to our system to take her back and determine if she can ever return to regular society. We house plenty of violent and mentally highly unwell criminals, better to be under our eyes than free to be continued to be brainwashed and/or have more children in dire conditions out there.

icanboogieboogiewoogie · 26/02/2021 21:11

@LookingForSalt

Absolutely she should return to Britain and be cared for. She is an incredibly damaged and traumatised young person and she is Britain's responsibility. Britain needs to grow up and face the mess it has created through the promotion of elitism and its neglect of the vulnerable. The day a nation turns its back on its responsibilities is a terrible day for human rights.
This.