Shamima Begum cannot return.....

[Lillylolo]

What are your opinions?

I feel that her dual heritage has been used against her, to push her towards Bangladesh.

However, I do feel she is a threat to the general public and it would be incredibly difficult to control/monitor her actions. Which may put the rest of the population at risk.

This is just an open debate. Let’s try not to rip each other apart, more of a healthy debate

@silentpool

She abandoned Britain and Western values for a glorious stint in the Caliphate. Now she wants to come back to all she rejected and despised? Seems a bit hypocritical. Should stick with her values and stay.

From the point of view of the brave people of Syria fighting terrorism, she is a British terrorist. I am sure Bangladeshis will say this too. There is a thread in the AIBU section currently on a CF neighbour who throws her food in the street.

@amitoooldforthisshit

the government has blood on its hands over the death of her children .heres hoping the ECHR can overturn this horrible decision and get this person home to her family, where she belongs

She does not belong with her family. She belongs in a jail cell. She deserves to be punished, she is not innocent or remorseful.

@Jaypreen

How the F**k is she "our problem"?

All her acts of criminality occurred outside of the UK. British jurisdiction doesn't cover Iraq and Syria, and as she renounced her citizenship by tearing up her passport, we have no case to either extradite her or ask for her return.

Let the Syrians try her.

You don't need a passport to have citizenship. If I go upstairs now and rip up my passport I'd still be British, no one would come and kick the door in and deport me. Although I do actually have citizenship of another country so at least they would have somewhere to deport me to.

She joined a group which targeted westerners via terrorist actions. She didn't show one bit of remorse on her interviews I think it would be an absolute joke if we did let her back when she was quite happy to go off and join a terrorist organization. I don't think she should be allowed back. And the fact she was 15 means nothing, you know what's right and wrong at that age and joining a terrorist organization isn't a "silly teenage mistake"

@WhoStoleMyCheese

The issue with Shamima is that she showed NO REMORSE. She hence deserves what she gets. Also - to all those complaining about racism - who stripped her of her citizenship? Sajid Javid a fellow brown person :)

You know institutional racism exists... And that racist institutions can have minorities working for them and working within a racist framework. And that it’s possible that Sajid consulted with the PM and his cabinet on such a high profile and far-reaching decision. Oh and brown people can be racist to other brown people and against themselves...

What you’ve said is no different to the “but I can’t be racist I have black friends” excuse

[quote Sunnydays999]@Mrgrinch I totally agree . It may be wrong but I don’t care . I don’t want her breathing the same air , being in the same country even as my children .[/quote]
Sure so you will be that nasty bully who is happy to put other people’s children at risk so long as it is happening elsewhere?

This is how Taliban were created, but you wouldn’t know that, would you?
Someone else’s problem my arse!

@SimonJT
That is my point. Grooming is not the appropriate word here. She was 15 which is old enough to understand. She was not the victim and to suggest she was is actually offensive to the real victims of her actions.

So despite the fact that she has admitted she wouldn't want to come back if ISIS hadn't fallen, we're supposed to open our arms out and welcome her back as a 'victim'? No the victims are those poor people whose lives were taken.
And as for those turning it into a race issue?! Don't make me laugh. Fucking unbelievable.

Posters keep saying she was 15 when she was groomed/radicalised. I would imagine she was much younger when it started.

@SpaceRaiders

She was educated here, radicalised here and failed by the system here, she’s a British problem. But I imagine this whole conversation would be very different had she been fair skinned, blonde and blue eyed. If you cannot see how problematic this situation is, then I’m not sure what to say.

absolutely this she was a child who was groomed and trafficked. She is a British citizen and no one else's problem but ours. You'd think we have no prisons here. No one is saying she should come back and just be allowed to swan around at will. She should come back, be tried, go to jail if found guilty and once in jail be re educated and re habilitated.

@NewMum2021x

She joined a group which targeted westerners via terrorist actions. She didn't show one bit of remorse on her interviews I think it would be an absolute joke if we did let her back when she was quite happy to go off and join a terrorist organization. I don't think she should be allowed back. And the fact she was 15 means nothing, you know what's right and wrong at that age and joining a terrorist organization isn't a "silly teenage mistake"

Whatever she did, she learnt it here in the U.K. why are you that CF who is happy to throw their own bin in their neighbour’s garden so it doesn’t smell in their own house? You think ALL the Syrians are terrorists? Do you think no one is fighting terrorism there? Do you think they should be made to deal with our problem just because we can get away with it?

[quote Blackberrycream]@SimonJT
That is my point. Grooming is not the appropriate word here. She was 15 which is old enough to understand. She was not the victim and to suggest she was is actually offensive to the real victims of her actions.[/quote]
My DC will never go out and kill another child at that age.
Do you think no other child will though?
Have you ever seen videos of the teenager gangs who have stabbed and killed someone in an organised crime? Caught on CCTV. There are numerous videos online.
This is a ludicrous argument that still doesn’t not answer why other people should have to deal with your problem.

@Sumwin1 My concern would be that a lot of radicalisation is happening in prisons among the radicalised and those not yet radicalised, so even if she was to be locked up, she works still be a risk.

@amitoooldforthisshit
the government has blood on its hands over the death of her children

Indeed, bloody British government dragging her kicking and screaming on to that plane bound for Syria.

'She was 15, a child. Teens are not known for their critical thinking skills'

I taught a lot of that age group, and my lad was 15 at one point. I don't think any of the kids I taught would have done what Begum did, and I know that my lad at 15 possessed critical thinking skills and an appreciation of his own comfort; hence he would not have gone off to Syria. I also checked his computer at regular unadvertised intervals.

@ChristOnAPeloton

I think she’s our problem, and we shouldn’t be dumping her on Syria or Bangladesh to deal with.

This is my feeling on it.

She grew up here, she was groomed here, she was radacalised here and she slipped through our nets at the airports.

She's a problem that was made here and it should be down to us to foot the cost and deal with her. It's ridiculous to palm off a problem created here on another country.

[quote LadyRenoir]@Sumwin1 My concern would be that a lot of radicalisation is happening in prisons among the radicalised and those not yet radicalised, so even if she was to be locked up, she works still be a risk.[/quote]
So you will dump her on other countries. How is that ethical? What is the morality behind thinking your rot is someone else’s problem?

I think the court have made the right decision and the only possible decision. She has not been left stateless. She has a right to Bangladeshi citizenship but doesn't want to take it.
Her crimes are not normal. They are serious crimes against humanity.
If the government and the Supreme Court think she would be a danger to our national security then I am prepared to believe them.
I do not want terrorists to be allowed into the UK.

She'a child FFS, a vulnerable, groomed child who has been repeatedly raped and had 3 children die. Sometimes this site is a fucking embarrassment.

This thread is such a great example of why there is so much dislike of western policies in the Mid East and Asia.
From Taliban to Saddam, all were founded, funded and were kept alive for decades by funds and weapons from West. Then they were let go once they had served their purpose.

We cannot create problems and then let them loose in other people’s homes. This is bloody criminal!

Isn’t she 21?

@mummyh2016

So despite the fact that she has admitted she wouldn't want to come back if ISIS hadn't fallen, we're supposed to open our arms out and welcome her back as a 'victim'? No the victims are those poor people whose lives were taken. And as for those turning it into a race issue?! Don't make me laugh. Fucking unbelievable.

No we’re supposed to either let her face justice in Syria as a British citizen or, if Syria don’t want her, bring her back so that she can face justice in the UK, as a British citizen.

What we don’t do is strip her of her citizenship, leaving her stateless and wash our hands of her.

Until that happens to white British terrorists, peadophiles and murderers who commit crimes in other countries, then yes it is a race issue as well.

@Witchcraftandhokum

She'a child FFS, a vulnerable, groomed child who has been repeatedly raped and had 3 children die. Sometimes this site is a fucking embarrassment.

Totally agree with this. Shocked how little compassion people have. Of course she should come back to the UK and serve jail time here if a charge can be proven in a court of law.

@yellowspanner

I think the court have made the right decision and the only possible decision. She has not been left stateless. She has a right to Bangladeshi citizenship but doesn't want to take it. Her crimes are not normal. They are serious crimes against humanity. If the government and the Supreme Court think she would be a danger to our national security then I am prepared to believe them. I do not want terrorists to be allowed into the UK.

Allowed? So basically you are happy that she is dumped on other countries simply cos we can get away with it. How is that ethical? How is that even legal to let your criminal loose in other people’s countries who already have a huge fight at their hands?

If I committed a murder in Spain then I would have to go through the Spanish court and serve any time in a Spanish jail.
This would be the same if it was the USA, Italy, Mexico, NZ, China, Russia and any other country in the world.
If someone from abroad committed a crime in this country they would be charged and jailed in the UK.
She committed crimes in another country let them charge and jail her there.