Shamima Begum cannot return.....

[Lillylolo]

What are your opinions?

I feel that her dual heritage has been used against her, to push her towards Bangladesh.

However, I do feel she is a threat to the general public and it would be incredibly difficult to control/monitor her actions. Which may put the rest of the population at risk.

This is just an open debate. Let’s try not to rip each other apart, more of a healthy debate

A 5 year old can reasonably be expected to understand that killing is wrong. At 15 I really don't have any sympathy for her. Not buying into this "she was groomed bollocks "

I'd be quite fine with it if Syria decided to kill her tbh. She knew what she was doing and that there was no coming back.

and yes I’m a brown person ... incidentally from a Muslim country.. everyone there thinks she deserves what she got too..

@nothingcanhurtmewithmyeyesshut

A 5 year old can reasonably be expected to understand that killing is wrong. At 15 I really don't have any sympathy for her. Not buying into this "she was groomed bollocks "

I'd be quite fine with it if Syria decided to kill her tbh. She knew what she was doing and that there was no coming back.

So if you own child was groomed at 15 you would think they knew what they were doing and be fine with it?

no resources was used to track her down and bring her home.
Who exactly do you think should have tracked her down and brought her home from the middle of an ISIS stronghold?

@WhoStoleMyCheese

and yes I’m a brown person ... incidentally from a Muslim country.. everyone there thinks she deserves what she got too..

Quite impressed that you interviewed every resident of a country.

@WhoStoleMyCheese

The issue with Shamima is that she showed NO REMORSE. She hence deserves what she gets. Also - to all those complaining about racism - who stripped her of her citizenship? Sajid Javid a fellow brown person :)

He is of Pakistani heritage, she is of Bangladeshi heritage, I seem to remember them having a war not that long ago. Might not be racism but don't think there is any love lost between Pakistan and Bangladesh. From what I remember there were allegations at the time of Pakistan attempting genocide.

@ChristOnAPeloton

I think she’s our problem, and we shouldn’t be dumping her on Syria or Bangladesh to deal with.

This x 100 ^

She abandoned Britain and Western values for a glorious stint in the Caliphate. Now she wants to come back to all she rejected and despised? Seems a bit hypocritical. Should stick with her values and stay.

The whole thing is problematic because they have decided to make an example of her - to use her case as a deterrent. And whilst, in principal, I agree that your could forfeit your right to citizenship if you conspire to commit an atrocity, she was just 15. Of all the people to use as. your 'example' she was the worst possible choice simply because of her age.

Compare her case with Sam Elhassani / Sam Sally (US woman who travelled to Raqqa with her ISIS husband) and was recently sentenced in the USA and I think that perhaps that is how it should have been dealt with.

The only regret I have in regards to this terrorist is that she wasn’t drone struck into a million pieces.

15 is over the age of criminal responsibility.

She has stated repeatedly she has no regrets.

She has stated repeatedly that she would not have left if IS had it not fell.

She has not rid herself of the ideology. She still supports it.

All of you bleeding hearts can have her living next to you! She is a terrorist. She will not change. She does not want to change. She is not stateless. She committed her crimes in Syria.

If I stabbed a guy to death in Paris do you think I’d be tried in France or could I beg off for an easier sentence here? Let her face Syrian justice.

[quote AnitaB888]She wasn't 'groomed' she was radicalized.(As were her friends)

Islamics say that radicalisation doesn't happen in the mosques it happens on-line, so it was her parents fault that they didn't protect her by putting parental controls on her computer.

Even at 15 she should know right from wrong.

www.arabnews.com/node/1708041/world[/quote]
Exactly.
I find the parallels made with the Rochdale grooming victims offensive. They were victims and their actions were not harmful to others.
I remember at the time trying to comprehend how a teenager could think of heading out there. The information about what was happening was already freely available and absolutely horrific. To have such an absolute lack of empathy and disrespect for the value of human life as those who glamourised the situation did should not be played down.
The British girls who went over enthusiastically joined in policing the activities of local women. Look up the details if you have a strong stomach.
It is also not a race issue. There was a white boy who was refused return also.

@SimonJT a bit hype

I hope she will never step foot back on British soil. We have enough problems of our own without spending an obscene amount of money to provide a terrorist with all of the resources she would be given on her return.

I still do not understand how it is legal to simply dump your home-grown terrorists on other countries. Just like that.
What has Bangladesh done to the U.K.?
What a nasty, bullying attitude this is.

@AnitaB888

"This would never happen to a white British person"

Not quite right ...

The US-born Briton William Joyce, who broadcast Nazi propaganda to the UK from Germany during the Second World War, was captured, brought back to UK and hanged in 1946 for treason.

So..they brought him back to face justice then. What should be happening with Shamima Begum.

But disregarding what she "deserves", how can we shirk responsibility onto other countries? She's british. There are lots of convicted murderers in the UK in prisons I'm sure we could do without- but when did it become ok to strip people of citizenship just because it's more convenient and cheaper for us? She has to exist somewhere- why is she Syria's problem to fix?

@Mrgrinch I totally agree . It may be wrong but I don’t care . I don’t want her breathing the same air , being in the same country even as my children .

@AnitaB888

"Well where should she go then, who should pick up our problem?"

She stopped being our responsibility when she threw her passport into the desert and swore allegiance to a terrorist organisation committed to destroying the West.

She could still be our problem as a rallying point for underground terrorist cells in UK if she returned.

So whose problem is she then? The people of Syria - I think they've got enough problems of their own. The Kurds - they did more to defeat ISIS than anyone else and as a thank you we leave them to deal with our problems. Nice.

@Thewithesarehere exactly

For all those with an attitude of "screw her age/the then situation/the reasons, let her rot in the camp", I'd suggest that if we don't take the time to understand the hows and whys then there will continue to be more cases of Brits turning to terrorism and running off abroad. Or turning to terrorism and remaining at home. Whether you want her back or not, we (or rather those who are qualified) should be considering how and why this happened and how to prevent it in future.

I am also quite confident that my 15 year old could not be groomed into committing such offences. He has basic empathy.

the government has blood on its hands over the death of her children .heres hoping the ECHR can overturn this horrible decision and get this person home to her family, where she belongs

We need to step up and take responsibility for her. She is British no matter how much our government want to pretend otherwise.

She was 15. She was groomed and probably didn't understand the implications of what she was doing. She needs to be brought back, tried and appropriately punished and rehabilitated if its possible. Leaving her stateless with the potential of serious breaches of her human rights happening doesn't do anyone any favours.

She’s our problem and we need to step up and deal with it!
It’s not right to dump her on other countries.

@Blackberrycream

I am also quite confident that my 15 year old could not be groomed into committing such offences. He has basic empathy.

So you think victims of grooming are to blame for being victims of grooming, nice.