Shamima Begum cannot return.....

[Lillylolo]

What are your opinions?

I feel that her dual heritage has been used against her, to push her towards Bangladesh.

However, I do feel she is a threat to the general public and it would be incredibly difficult to control/monitor her actions. Which may put the rest of the population at risk.

This is just an open debate. Let’s try not to rip each other apart, more of a healthy debate

A lot of mixed reviews here, one thing we cannot deny is that her heritage had been used against her. She has been left stateless as she does not currently hold citizenship for any country.

We have taken back many ISIS fighters, why is shamima Begum any different?

She can apply for Bangladesh citizenship, which we’ve heard will either be denied it she could face dire consequences.

So she has two options.

To apply for a Bangladesh citizenship or to apply for a Syrian citizenship, which is highly unlikely to be granted.

Then on the flip side of the coin, can the UK prosecute her when we do not know her crimes?

How can we ensure public safety if we cannot remove her from our streets

How many posters on here would think their own child deserved it if they were groomed?

"She lost her mother just before she left and her father remarried and she didn't get on with the new wife and went to live with her grandmother"

That was Sharmeena Begum from the same school, not Shamima Begum (no relation).

This would never happen to a white British person

Jack Letts?

@Insaneinthemembranesweep

This might sound awful but with everything going on in the world I find it really hard to care about Shamima Begum to be honest. She’s both a victim and a despicable human being. If she comes here I hope she has to face up to her crimes and is imprisoned and given the appropriate counselling and support. If she stays there great- not our problem. I honestly don’t care really.

My feelings exactly.

@Andante57

This would never happen to a white British person

Jack Letts?

He has Canadian citizenship, he was not made stateless.

He was also an adult.

It’s not about violins it’s about understanding context and motive,the whys
Multiple factors have contributed to why a 15yo left the UK and engaged in murderous activities. There needs to be a trial and in all likelihood a penal sentence

At least Jack Letts had an actual other citizenship. It still wasn't right for the UK to unilaterally remove his UK citizenship and leave him just Canada's problem, but at least his Canadian citizenship actually existed and was acknowledged by Canada, unlike Begum's Bangladeshi citizenship, which seems to have existed only in the minds of the Home Office.

I have very mixed feelings.

At 15, she was a child, a radicalised child. As such she deserves a second chance.

However, have her actions as an adult been utterly lawful & blame free? Can we say with certainly she is not a danger to the U.K.? No.

I think that the general public would feel more compassion to her if she seemed to be repentant, but as I understand it she's shown no remorse. She doesn't regret joining ISIS. She doesn't regret the violence that she was part of. She wasn't fazed by the severed head that she found in her bin - it was an 'infidels' head after all. As I understand it, other ISIS brides have come back to the UK and faced justice, but they also showed remorse and an acceptance of responsibility. I suspect that all the time that Begum is without remorse, she won't be repatriated.

She’s a British citizen so she’s our responsibility surely. We can’t turn away our own citizens, we don’t usually when convicted criminals serve their sentences in other countries and are then deported do we?

Using that logic, several victims of the Rochdale grooming gang were fully complicit whores?!

I was just going to say this!

I couldn't care less. If ISIS were still around as much, would she have tried to come back? Would she fuck. She'd still be doing it, she's shown no remorse whatsoever. I remember 9/11, 7/7 and the Manchester bombing where innocent people were murdered. She watched innocent people be beheaded happily. So no I don't give a toss that she's had her citizenship removed.

She's a british criminal and therefore we in Britain have a moral obligation to pay for her trial/incarceration/rehabilitation/whatever. This isn't like when we could just ship people off to Australia because it was cheaper and more convenient.

How is it Syria's responsibility to pay for her or house her??! Or the international community to house her in a refugee camp?? And she's never bloody been to Bangladesh!

I am so ashamed of this ruling. Shall we just start chucking all the criminals in the country out and just hope the rest of the world picks up the slack?

She's our responsibility whether she's guilty or not.

Jeez.

If she is a dangerous person she needs to be apprehended. As a British citizen that should be up to the British judicial system. If she is going to do harm she needs to be stopped. I don't care if that harmonia against a Brit or a Syrian or whoever she needs to be stopped.

She's a traitor and she deserves everything she gets.

This smacks of a delaying tactic to me. If the gov were so sure that they had acted legally in revoking her citizenship then wouldn't they want it heard so the matter can be finalised?

"This would never happen to a white British person"

Not quite right ...

The US-born Briton William Joyce, who broadcast Nazi propaganda to the UK from Germany during the Second World War, was captured, brought back to UK and hanged in 1946 for treason.

Her parents for introducing the religion to her.

What exactly do you mean by this?

I can imagine the outrage if people from countries across the world sent people to the UK to commit crimes and then just denounced their citizenship and left us with a shitshow of stateless criminals.

Loads of European arseholes went to Syria to join IS. European. And what now- they just stay there? Syria has enough shit to deal with without us adding to it IMO.

The issue with Shamima is that she showed NO REMORSE. She hence deserves what she gets.
Also - to all those complaining about racism - who stripped her of her citizenship?
Sajid Javid a fellow brown person :)

@BabblativeBean

I do not believe that she should have had her British citizenship revoked. There are many people who are a security risk, it is why policies exist to manage that risk.

It is not legal for the Government to leave someone stateless, but they claim that SB has Bangladeshi citizenship. Apparently under Bangladesh law, a child is automatically granted citizenship if born to Bangladeshi parents, but the Bangladesh Government have stated that she is not a citizen and they will not take her.

She was born in the UK, raised in the UK and radicalised in the UK. She has apparently never been to Bangladesh. She is the UKs problem and we shouldn't be trying to push our responsibilities onto other countries.

She'd never been to Syria either but she chose to go and live there .

@FanFckingTastic

I think that the general public would feel more compassion to her if she seemed to be repentant, but as I understand it she's shown no remorse. She doesn't regret joining ISIS. She doesn't regret the violence that she was part of. She wasn't fazed by the severed head that she found in her bin - it was an 'infidels' head after all. As I understand it, other ISIS brides have come back to the UK and faced justice, but they also showed remorse and an acceptance of responsibility. I suspect that all the time that Begum is without remorse, she won't be repatriated.

When she was interviewed she was, still is, in a camp surrounded by ISIS, did you see the guards in the room? Would you start running down anything ISIS had done if you were surrounded by ISIS men with guns?

@JungOwlWan

You're all very tolerant!

I'm Irish and not living in the UK, but from what I understand, she's not sorry. I feel for her in some ways, she's been through a lot, she was groomed/radicalised. But she's canny enough, she wants to return to Britain after all she's been through, so Britain can't be that bad I guess.... and yet she's not sorry!? I think a person can forfeit their rights to live in a country even if it's their own country.

I would agree with that if the idea of forfeiting citizenship wasn’t only enforced on brown British people by the UK government.

We should have known it was coming after the windrush scandal but like someone said upthread it’s clear that brown British people are only second tier citizens. And with this comes the risk of having our citizenship stripped on conditional grounds that we don’t even know of yet (whatever the government of the day deems a serious enough reason).