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Shamima Begum cannot return.....

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Lillylolo · 26/02/2021 20:40

What are your opinions?

I feel that her dual heritage has been used against her, to push her towards Bangladesh.

However, I do feel she is a threat to the general public and it would be incredibly difficult to control/monitor her actions. Which may put the rest of the population at risk.

This is just an open debate. Let’s try not to rip each other apart, more of a healthy debate

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Thewithesarehere · 27/02/2021 11:37

Grasp*

SuperSimple · 27/02/2021 11:39

She isn't a bin dumped on neighbours drive. She's a bin that got moved there by malicious bin men from the next neighbourhood. And she's a bin containing a grenade yet to go off.

Belladonna12 · 27/02/2021 11:41

I agree with this. However, Syria has no resources to fight its own terrorists and terrorists from other countries too.

Whether or not the country has the resources to prosecute we wouldn't normally transport here if someone had committed the crime elsewhere.

Porcupineintherough · 27/02/2021 11:41

@SuperSimple which ways did she aid and abet them though. There's all this talk about her crimes but other than joining isis (which is a biggy but no bar to British citizenship in men) no one seems to have anything specific to accuse her of. Except making an underage marriage to a terrorist and bearing him at least 1 child (so rape). Witnessing atrocities is not a crime.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 27/02/2021 11:42

Who is paying her legal fees, which must be considerable?

I've wondered about that myself. Presumably as a Brirish citizen she'd have been eligible for legal aid, but now that's been removed (whether temporarily or not) I'd imagine eligibility ends?

However I've not the least doubt there'll be grandstanding lawyers who are prepared to do it for free

Ponoka7 · 27/02/2021 11:43

I don't understand how she is a bigger tbreat than the hundreds of male Isis fighters that we've allowed in. Most of them joined Isis after the age of 18, actually killed people in the name of Isis and haven't shown that they have been deradicalised/reformed. Many of them have duel citizenship. She's a poster child for the Torys on how tough they are on Isis and how unlike Labour they don't support terrorism. She should have been allowed back when her baby Son was still alive. He was a British citizen.

Thewithesarehere · 27/02/2021 11:44

She is not a bigger threat than anyone, though god knows British government’s idiotic policy is far turning her into a poster girl.
It’s just that we have some really racist and stupid people sitting in the government and THAT is not a good combination at all.

Ponoka7 · 27/02/2021 11:45

I've just Google'd it and apparently she is still getting legal aid.

Belladonna12 · 27/02/2021 11:45

@Ponoka7

I don't understand how she is a bigger tbreat than the hundreds of male Isis fighters that we've allowed in. Most of them joined Isis after the age of 18, actually killed people in the name of Isis and haven't shown that they have been deradicalised/reformed. Many of them have duel citizenship. She's a poster child for the Torys on how tough they are on Isis and how unlike Labour they don't support terrorism. She should have been allowed back when her baby Son was still alive. He was a British citizen.
They shouldn't have been brought back either.
SuperSimple · 27/02/2021 11:45

[quote Porcupineintherough]@SuperSimple which ways did she aid and abet them though. There's all this talk about her crimes but other than joining isis (which is a biggy but no bar to British citizenship in men) no one seems to have anything specific to accuse her of. Except making an underage marriage to a terrorist and bearing him at least 1 child (so rape). Witnessing atrocities is not a crime.[/quote]
She willingly went out there to aid and abett them. As an ISIS wife. If she was a man she would have been going the beheading but that isn't allowed because she is a woman.

Thewithesarehere · 27/02/2021 11:46

@Ponoka7

I've just Google'd it and apparently she is still getting legal aid.
In that case, we need an inquiry to find out whose political point scoring is costing tax payers an awful lot of money.
WhereDoMyBluebirdsFly · 27/02/2021 11:47

@Ponoka7

I don't understand how she is a bigger tbreat than the hundreds of male Isis fighters that we've allowed in. Most of them joined Isis after the age of 18, actually killed people in the name of Isis and haven't shown that they have been deradicalised/reformed. Many of them have duel citizenship. She's a poster child for the Torys on how tough they are on Isis and how unlike Labour they don't support terrorism. She should have been allowed back when her baby Son was still alive. He was a British citizen.
Yes, there is a very sexist 'you've made your bed, now lie in it' attitude from many people. I'd rather live next door to SB than one of the thousands of male former ISIS fighters that live in the UK.
Belladonna12 · 27/02/2021 11:49

In that case, we need an inquiry to find out whose political point scoring is costing tax payers an awful lot of money.

Monitoring her if she came back would hardly be free. She will be costing the tax payer a lot of money regardless.

SmileEachDay · 27/02/2021 11:49

She willingly went out there to aid and abett them
She was radicalised, which is the same process as grooming.

As an ISIS wife

A 15 year old child. Not legally allowed to have sex or marry.

If she was a man she would have been going the beheading but that isn't allowed because she is a woman
Do you really think “not doing the beheadings” is the only consequence of being female in that environment? Stop for a second and contemplate that.

SuperSimple · 27/02/2021 11:51

Begum was an “enforcer” in ISIL's "morality police", and also tried to recruit other young women to join the jihadist group.[20] She was allowed to carry a Kalashnikov rifle and earned a reputation as a strict enforcer of ISIL's laws, such as dress codes for women. An anti-ISIL activist told The Independent that there are separate allegations of "Begum [stitching] suicide bombers into explosive vests so they could not be removed without detonating".[21]

thegcatsmother · 27/02/2021 11:52

ilikebooksandplants I said I had taught, not that I still teach, and as I taught in a rural comp in Cornwall, which was not at the time, multicultural in any shape or form, (and going up country meant crossing the Tamar to Devon), then no, it wouldn't have crossed their minds. We were more concerned about other types of grooming.

For those who want her brought back; to what end? She would be tried for treason and given life imprisonment, as that is the offence she committed with regards to the UK. Arguably, she may have done worse in Syria and they should try her there initially.

SuperSimple · 27/02/2021 11:52

Luckily the majority of the UK doesn't see her as the helpless innocent victim as a lot of you on this thread.

Parkperson · 27/02/2021 11:52

I did not realise there are two threads about this. This is what I said on the other thread. The Panorama is worth watching.
^I do think she has been badly advised. The first videos of her when she was pregnant and after having given birth, showed her in full niqab. She appeared to be hostile and unrepentant. Her sympathy appeared to lie with ISIS.
The recent videos show her in jeans and sweatshirt without head covering. She looks much more like a confused misguided teenager. I think the public would look at the recent photos and see her as someone who can change and be de radicalised.
This is a really good documentary (Panorama) about an American mother who joined ISIS. Worth a watch.^
www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m000pr81/panorama-return-from-isis-a-familys-story

Porcupineintherough · 27/02/2021 11:53

Ok that's what I was wondering. Is their actual evidence of her being an enforcer?

Belladonna12 · 27/02/2021 11:53

Yes, there is a very sexist 'you've made your bed, now lie in it' attitude from many people. I'd rather live next door to SB than one of the thousands of male former ISIS fighters that live in the UK.

It would only be sexist if people were that it is okay for male ISIS fighters to come back but not SB. People don't want male ISIS fighters back either.

MrsMercedes · 27/02/2021 11:54

@SmileEachDay

maybe its legal to marry at 15 in the country she was in? and how do you know for sure she was 'radicalised' or 'groomed'? or are we just assuming this as well?

ancientgran · 27/02/2021 11:55

@SuperSimple

Luckily the majority of the UK doesn't see her as the helpless innocent victim as a lot of you on this thread.
I don't think it is about her being innocent or a victim I think it is about us as a country accepting our responsibilities. Bangladesh is a poor country dealing with a large number of refugees but we expect them to deal with this British born, British educated woman.
SmileEachDay · 27/02/2021 11:57

maybe its legal to marry at 15 in the country she was in?

Irrelevant, as she was a British citizen who had been groomed by Isis.

SmileEachDay · 27/02/2021 11:58

how do you know for sure she was 'radicalised' or 'groomed'?

Because that is how Isis operates. They don’t send out application forms.